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Iraqi Archives Show Russia's Hidden Hand
Insight ^ | 5/1/03 | J. Michael Waller

Posted on 05/01/2003 8:32:29 AM PDT by Jean S

The captured archives are starting to show that post-Soviet Russia hadn't stopped its old Soviet ways in Iraq. Among the initial revelations:



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: archives; berlusconi; blair; codwar2; coldwar2; espionage; flee; intelligence; mukhabarat; russia; spy; svr; syria; titorenko

1 posted on 05/01/2003 8:32:29 AM PDT by Jean S
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To: JeanS
Russian links to Saddam, Al-Qaeda and 9/11? I'm very suspicious. ComIntern is yet very much alive.
2 posted on 05/01/2003 8:46:13 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: JeanS
Ummmm...'Quelle surprise'! as the diplomats put it.

;^)
3 posted on 05/01/2003 8:53:39 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: JeanS
"Hidden"? Nothing about it has been hidden. Russia is an enemy of the US, and backs irresponsible states for the sole purpose of making trouble for us. This extends from diplomatic interference running at the UN, all the way to providing Iranian fanatics with nuclear technology. Anybody who is surprised about any of it simply hasn't been paying any attention to their deeds rather than their words, in the Putin era. The only thing different about Putin is that he lies to your face about such things, instead of bragging about them and banging his shoe on the table.
4 posted on 05/01/2003 9:03:46 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: JeanS
CBS News reported today that SVR penetration of the DoD resulted in our war plans being sent to Iraqi intel in the Feb - early March time frame. Mole hunts urgently needed with charges, trials and executions to follow forthwith. Joseph McCarthy and James Jesus Angleton once again are being further vindicated and those who fought them most strongly are in my book prime suspected moles themselves. I am glad Golitsyn is still alive, clear minded and writing; apparently his new book is nearing completion from what I have heard. I pray that he lives to write one more beyond that regarding everything that is happening now.
5 posted on 05/01/2003 9:48:30 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: JasonC
Russia is an enemy of the US, and backs irresponsible states for the sole purpose of making trouble for us. +++

What states Russia backed for that purpose?

Saddam was no more bad then Musharaff of Pakistan. Both dictators.
Saddam's allerged link with Al-Kaeda never proved.
Russia helped US year ago to destroy the stronghold of Al Kaeda the Taliban regime. You already forgot?

If Russia didn't see Saddam that dangerous as US did it doesn't mean that she is enemy of US. But you can make her one youself if you will do hostilities to her.
6 posted on 05/01/2003 10:00:59 AM PDT by RusIvan
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To: belmont_mark
CBS News reported today that SVR penetration of the DoD resulted in our war plans being sent to Iraqi intel in the Feb - early March time frame.+++

Seriously? I didn't think that SVR so formidable organization.
If they share with Saddam thier findings then they definetely don't affraid to compromise thier sources. It means they have of them a plenty. How it can be?
7 posted on 05/01/2003 10:06:26 AM PDT by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan
Iraq, Iran, North Korea. Also Syria, to a degree.

When Russia pulls the plug on the Iranian nuclear program, I will start listening to Russian apologists for Putin claiming he just wants to be our friend. Until then, talk is cheap and Russians lie for a living.

8 posted on 05/01/2003 10:46:22 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: RusIvan
Don't argue with me, argue with CBS news. That's who reported it.
9 posted on 05/01/2003 11:11:00 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: RusIvan
The US are being duped by Pakistan, who talk as if they are an ally but continue to overtly benefit from being a PRC satellite, and benefit covertly from Russian support. While Pakistan continue to dupe the West, they work along side with Myanmar and the PRC to engage in a long term military build up in Myanmar so that at some point, a strategic wedge can be driven between India and ASEAN. The invasion of ASEAN by these same forces cannot be discounted and may well factor into plans for a dash by the Axis to grab the Strait of Malacca as initially surmised by Yossef Bodansky nearly 10 years ago. But I digress. Even if we would accept your assertion of moral equivalency between Russia's now fully exposed and illegal support of the Ba'athist National Socialist regime that we have just destroyed, and, the US' inadvisable relations with Musharraf, then I must point out the continuing satellite arrangements between the Kremlin and Cuba, newly Communist Brazil, newly Communist Venezuela, many anti Western nations in Africa, Syria, Iran, Myanmar, Laos, the PRC and the DPRK. Hmmm... it seems to me that neither Perestroika nor the supposed "fall of the Eastern Bloc" changed much of anything in terms of Moscow's support for the enemies of the West. In fact, if anything, since 1991, there are even more enemies of the West, all of them supported either directly by Moscow or indirectly via middle man Beijing, than their were in the sad days of the late 1970s. What does this tell us?
10 posted on 05/01/2003 11:22:32 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: Orion78; rightwing2; Paul Ross; lavaroise; Noswad
Ping.
11 posted on 05/01/2003 11:27:27 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: belmont_mark
... oh and by the way, the West are also being duped by the PRC. The PRC, in flattering imitation of Lenin's NEP, welcomed businesses (and money) from the West and our Asian allies. They have far exceeded Lenin's wildest dreams of seizing the means of production. The West, naive as we are, cannot see this fact, and remain largely unalarmed regarding how we have relocated the means of production to behind enemy lines during a period of false peace and deception. Naturally, not only are these means of production being used to efficiently extract capital from the West but they are also being used as mass high tech production training grounds for large numbers of Chinese engineers and managers. These well trained individuals will come in most handy for the Forbidden City when the inevitable end comes to the false peace. So too will all of the high tech factories financed by Western market hedonists who left their anti Communist vigilance in the bars and brothels of Shen Zhen.
12 posted on 05/01/2003 11:34:12 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: belmont_mark
The US are being duped by Pakistan, who talk as if they are an ally but continue to overtly benefit from being a PRC satellite, and benefit covertly from Russian support. ++

Just aone moment. Russia doesn't support Pakistan. Russia supports India.

I must point out the continuing satellite arrangements between the Kremlin and Cuba, newly Communist Brazil, newly Communist Venezuela, many anti Western nations in Africa, Syria, Iran, Myanmar, Laos, the PRC and the DPRK.+++

Sattelite arragements? If you point on CIS countries I would agree. But those what they good for Russia?
BTW Russia closed her military base in Cuba. Did America?
Still pays to Castro regime?

Others sinply buy russian weaponry. For US dollars:). To much for sattelites?
13 posted on 05/01/2003 12:13:02 PM PDT by RusIvan
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To: belmont_mark
the West are also being duped by the PRC. ++

Here I wholeheartly agree with you. Quicker USA dumps PRC better we all will stand.
But here the pofit zone for american corporations who duped by cheap chinese work force. What you can do with that?
14 posted on 05/01/2003 12:15:08 PM PDT by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan
Saddam was no more bad then Musharaff of Pakistan. Both dictators.

There are dictators and then there are monsters. Saddam is/was a monster. By dictator standards, Musharaff is pretty mild. Milder than Fidel Castro for instance.

Saddam's allerged link with Al-Kaeda never proved.

Depends on what you mean by "proved", but be that as it may, more and more evidence is surfacing daily from left behind Iraqi documents.

I don't want Russia to be our enemy, the few Russians I've met I've liked. That includes my sister in law, although she's really from Krygistan. She made me a nice cake for my birthday that was different than I'd ever had, and she gave me a great haircut too. A multi-talented lady, she can also field strip and reassemble an AK-47 blindfolded, and is a good shot with rifle or pistol. Another sister in law, who I've not met, is from Ukraine.

Russia could have have shown herself a friend by supporting us in the UN. However if she couldn't do that for whatever reason, she could have at least not opposed us, not collaborated with the despicable Frenchman Chirac. A friend would not have done that.

15 posted on 05/01/2003 2:34:28 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: RusIvan
"The captured archives are starting to show that post-Soviet Russia hadn't stopped its old Soviet ways in Iraq."
16 posted on 05/01/2003 3:57:54 PM PDT by Orion78
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To: El Gato
A multi-talented lady, she can also field strip and reassemble an AK-47 blindfolded, and is a good shot with rifle or pistol. +++

Heh heh:). I can do it too I think. So I didn't do it many years.
We were teached of this in schools. Our school has a range in basement. So we were trained there during classes.
I remember that girls from our class shot better then guys. The future women-snipers they were I guess.
We didn't shoot AK47 much but the bolt rifles of 0.22 caliber. Distance was 50 yards. So our girls consistenly did 45-48 scores from 50. Few did 50. I did 42 or so.

Russia could have have shown herself a friend by supporting us in the UN. +++

Russia did that about Afgan campaign. Everyone here semms already forgot that.
But Saddam owed money to Russia. If US garanteed that new goverment will return them then Russia could do help US again.
Agree that friends have to help friends. When America needs Russia she is all nice. But if Russia needs America then I see the negligence all over. "Russia is irrelevant" who told that?
17 posted on 05/01/2003 7:50:44 PM PDT by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan
russia is a enemy and always has been
18 posted on 05/01/2003 8:03:51 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (the gift is to see the truth)
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To: TLBSHOW
Your enemy was Soviet Union.
Russia is the country which helped young United States republic many times.

If you don't realise that it is bad.
19 posted on 05/01/2003 8:40:19 PM PDT by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan
what ever you say Putin!
20 posted on 05/01/2003 8:48:38 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (the gift is to see the truth)
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