Human rights law passed- Gays, lesbians get protection

Cincinnati Post ^ | April 30, 2003 | Mike Rutledge

[nastypumps]

Why do you write so angrily? Has something or someone hurt you?
If so, I am sorry I triggered so much negative emotion; but then maybe it's good to let it out in a safe and anonymous way at someone you don't know who won't hurt you back.
That's probably one reason why most of us post--to let out our fustrations or st least share them.

I do feel that when a government supports/suborns forms of discrimination against a small group of people it taxes and regulates in a wide variety of ways, that is wrong.

You are, and should be, free in your private life to associate with any one you wish and avoid those you dislike.

As for me, if I don't tell people in political discussions that I'm Gay, the angrier ones tell me I'm ashamed & if I do, they tell me I'm pushing it...so, what would you do?

[nastypumps]

Glad you are not & appreciate the explaination. Please, tho', don't associate me or my views with them or with extremists, either. Yes, many Jews are very upset at a casual or offhanded use of "Nazi", just I guess as southern White people might be to "Klan" or Black people to "minstrels" or Catholics to "papish". It's not pc nor a denial of history, just polite.

[First Amendment]

Yes, many Jews are very upset at a casual or offhanded use of "Nazi",

My use of the word "Nazi" was neither casual nor offhanded. I used the word deliberately and carefully, because homosexual activists have in the past and currently use Nazi-derived and Nazi-style techniques to change the culture into one that they like. There are so many links between the "gay lifestyle" and agenda and Nazism that it is not accidental.

An interesting footnote is that in "gay" publications which have many personal ads and ads for sex stores, there are many Nazi emblems, uniforms etc available and prominently figured. (I have not researched this myself, but experts in the field have.)

[Paloma_55]

Why do you write so angrily? Has something or someone hurt you?

I write tersely sometimes and that comes off as angry. I am not. As for someone hurting me? Heck yes. Many times in various ways. Anything from stepping on my toes to cheating on me... but those experiences don't make me angry... only more careful.

You have a valid point about making your "gayness" known in the context of this discussion. For that, I will lower the tone a bit and assume that you keep your private life private in public.

My big problem is not with homosexuals, it is with the activists who try to promote it as normal..even better than normal...noble.

I dislike the term gay. I remember when it meant happy, easy going, joyful... most homosexuals I know or have known were anything but... they were usually neurotic. I think that term was invented by people who know PR and intentionally want to deceive.

As for "monogomous, loving relationships"... sorry, but that is a pile-o-crap. I had a best friend in high school that was very close to me. We were like brothers. We even joined the Navy together and went traveling around many places. We played sports, we got high, we did all sorts of things.. you could say we "love each other like brothers" but you know what?? We never would have even thought about bunging each other. Love has NOTHING to do with sex, hetero or homo. You can live with someone and love them without engaging in perverted sex together and to suggest otherwise is not only wrong, it is deceitful.

What really kicks me about the homo-lobby is that they are telling people who are sick "You aren't sick.. you are different... keep it up... in fact, make it public... make people ACCEPT you... make them accept you and sue them if they don't!!!" They want homosexuality to be normalized for a reason. To justify their own existence, and to create a larger class of potential partners. When a 16 year old "gay" boy is glamorized by the school he attends as a great kid.. because people are trying to be tolerant.. and then he makes a pass at a 14 year old... that kid, who has no clue about sexuality, is a potential victim that might not be able to pull himself out of the pit he is being pulled into.

I have met quite a few homosexuals. EVERY single one that I have known since their youth was not homosexual... they were actively recruited during a time of emotional duress by a homosexual that predated upon them. That is what I have seen over and over again.

Seek treatment. It IS possible. You may think that you are just fine and happy with your life, but you are really walking a path that leads to destruction. Don't trust me on this... search inside. Or, if you ever get the urge to read the Bible, there are some words of wisdom provided in Proverbs 4:10 Listen, my son. Accept what I say and the years of your life will be many. I guide you in the way of wisdom and lead you along straight paths. When you walk, your steps will not be hampered. When you run, you will not stumble. Hold on to instruction. Do not let it go; guard it well for it is your life. Do not set foot on the path of the wicked or walk in the way of evil men. Avoid it. Do not travel on it; turn from it and go on your way....

This section is really clear. Whether you believe in God or not, you must acknowledge that wisdom is valuable. Wisdom is developed over the ages. It is the precursor to common sense. AIDS, STDs of all kinds come from sexual immorality. If one simply abstains from sex until they are in a sanctioned marriage, they will be safe from such things. Adultery, whether within or without a marriage, is just as bad as homosexual behavior. In essence, they are the same thing. You may have a "partner" or even a "life partner" but making a promise before men is NOT making a promise before God. God won't sanction a relationship built upon perversion. Thus, you are bound to fail in a homosexual relationship. Odds are way against you and it has nothing to do with bias or bigotry... it has to do with natural order.

I bet next time, you settle for terse. :)

[EdReform]

Excellent post

[GrandMoM]

THANKS Paloma_55 for saying what most of us feel, yet, find ourselves lost for words!

[EdReform]

Bump!

[DLfromthedesert]

So the mayor's a butch? No wonder she couldn't wait to pass this ordinance.

[nastypumps]

I appreciate your thoughtful reply. (It's so much better than terse!)
Let's say we differ on some major points but agree that certain behaviors (of whatever "orientation") are just wrong, including the seduction of the innocent by adults and other forms of selfish, deliberate cruelty.
As for happy "homos" (not the nicest term), I have never been unhappy or uncomfortable about it & know so many other happy people like me that I wish you could meet some of us.

[nastypumps]

What about love thy enemies?

[nastypumps]

Well, you certainly have much more interest in and to know so much more about all these practices than I.

I don't frequent them and, in fact, avoid them and people who frequent them, but I do realize there are all kinds of ads, sites and other unpleasant materials one can seek out that cater to all kinds of sexual proclivities from hard to imagine foot fetishes to disgusting pictures of little girls...but assuming one stumbled across an example (why else would one know where to find such a thing and why would one dwell long enough to learn what it says or shows?)it won't be proof that there is a universal consumption among its target audience who are members of a larger group.

For example, I don't associate all heterosexual men with porno' magazines or the sex trade in teen girls that caters to a few of them.

Nothing of any value comes from dwelling on extremes of behavior in a discussion of entire group, all that happens is that we throw ugly examples back & forth to top one another.

[Paloma_55]

Let's say we differ on some major points but agree that certain behaviors (of whatever "orientation") are just wrong, including the seduction of the innocent by adults and other forms of selfish, deliberate cruelty.

So, if you and I agree on which behaviors are wrong, then we have a new set of rules that everyone in society should live by?

I don't think so. I think that society makes its moral rules and you and I are bound to live within them. If we disagree with those rules, we must deal with the consequences of our actions.

If homosexuality were to become fully normalized, why would polygamists be prevented from behaving according to their moral values? Incesters?

I think that common-sense... aka wisdom... should prevail. Engaging in un-wise behaviors is stepping onto a path that holds danger. Society should be promoting good behavior and condemning bad behavior. This means condemning adultery, violence, jealosy, the list goes on. Homosexual behavior is just one on the list.

[First Amendment]

The main point I was making was not about anyone's sick sexual practices but about homosexual activists' methods of indoctrination, infiltration and proselityzing. The homo activists have made no secret of their methods of lying, exaggeration, deceit, infiltration, forceful aggression and out and out dishonesty. That is the Nazi comparison, as well as using Mein Kampf for inspiration and techniques of control.
Additionally, the percentage of homosexuals engaged in sick sexual practices is huge; the number of similarly engaged heterosexuals is much smaller.

[nastypumps]

Huh? Where do you get your stats? Is someone keeping count?

[nastypumps]

I'm late reading email & apologize; but I still don't get it...do you mean something called "society", outside of ourselves and the institutions (real & virtual) that we create, makes rules we should follow--just because?
If we are not "society" (defined by Webster's as: "the totality of of social relationships among human beings...the institutions and culture of a distinct, self-perpetuating group...")who or what is...and why would we be following their/its rules...what if they/it are wrong?

[First Amendment]

I notice you cannot argue with my statements about Nazis; this is because it is fact.

I do not have any stats about the percentage of homosexuals who practice sodomy (in the sense of anal sex) versus heterosexuals. I'll leave that for someone who is better at finding research. I HAVE seen the stats for homos, and the majority of them engage in anal sex. I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that the percentage of heterosexuals who practice anal sex is tiny. You find some stats if you think I'm wrong.

[nastypumps]

As to the "N" word, I grant you seem to spend a lot more time looking of rall sorts of wierd GLBT stuff & silly people than I ever have, tho' why I still can't figure out.

As to the use of provocative words by the young, I've found many silly youngsters (and more thqan a few silly elders) who blurt out all sorts of wild stuff to shock & awe their intended audiences a la old Lenny Bruce or EMINEM.

If the kid who started Act-Up followed the N word game book you reference, that's whyhe accomplished zip, exceot to scare the horses.

I could never have named him, even when the free paper press was entranced, for a billion $$$ & why his tiny group of kiddies is long kaput.

So, what's to worry? relax.

Guess we shouldn't believe everything we hear or read.