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No merci in US for thankless French
Daily Mirror (U.K.) ^ | 04/28/03 | Tony Parsons

Posted on 04/27/2003 11:22:49 PM PDT by Pokey78

I DON'T think the British have it in them to truly hate the French.

Despite our jocular outpourings of hop-off-you-Frogs banter, despite being frequently messed around by their surly air traffic controllers, despite having often seen their bullying unions intimidate British lorry drivers and burn British products, and despite having fought numerous wars against them, I think the British quite like the French.

Maybe "like" is putting it too highly. But the British admire a certain je ne sais quoi about French life.

If a Brit is in any part of France from Paris to Provence, he or she is likely to think - ah, this is the way life should be lived.

It's not the food. It's not the sun sinking over the Med. It's not the more-wine-my-dear sophistication, or the Brigitte Bardot/Sacha Distel sexiness. It's not the art, the architecture or the sound of that beautiful language. It is all of these things.

But it is different for Americans.

America has always distrusted France. Americans have found the French arrogant - which is a lot like George Best disapproving of someone because of their drinking habits.

After the war with Iraq, that distrust has curdled into something much more vehement. In America today, there is a genuine hatred of France and the French, and it means that the Western alliance will never be the same again.

Americans feel that, only a generation ago, they set France free. This is true, of course - there are 75,000 American men and boys buried in European graves, and they are never given the respect they deserve. The French were also set free by the Russians destroying the German Sixth Army in the ruins of Stalingrad, and by the British, who faced down Nazism alone.

But the British and the Russians were fighting for their national survival. The liberation of France was a happy by-product of that battle. To Americans, who never had German bombs dropping on their cities, or German troops swaggering through their streets, the liberation of France looks more like a hugely costly act of charity. And are les bastards grateful? Non, monsieur.

"Why should we expect the French to help us get Saddam out of Iraq?" asked one American. "They didn't even help us to get Hitler out of France."

In America there is a massively popular website called Francestinks. com. As you would expect, it contains plenty of French jokes - "the only way the French were going in was if we told them we'd discovered truffles in Iraq" - but the overall tone is deadly serious.

AMERICANS died for a country that is ungrateful, decadent and yellow to the core.

"Going to war without the French is like going hunting without your accordion," says one commentator. "How many Frenchman does it take to defend Paris?" asks another. "Nobody knows - it's never been tried." Then there's the one about the ad for the French rifle - "never used, dropped only once."

The French joke industry only advertises how profound the anger is against the French in the USA. When George Bush says of Jacques Chirac, "I doubt he'll be coming to the ranch any time soon," he is basically stating that he hopes Chirac falls under a carriage on the Paris Metro.

It goes to show how the world has changed since 9/11, a day that resulted in Afghanistan having the crap bombed out of it. But it was our allies in Saudi Arabia who provided the suicide squad for September 11.

Just as France, by consistently blocking action against Saddam, unquestionably propped up one of the vilest regimes on the planet.

In the world today, it is not our enemies that we fear and loathe.

It is our friends.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: france; loathethefrench; tonyparsons
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1 posted on 04/27/2003 11:22:49 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
Man, is Tony ever committing job suicide. Gotta love him! I posted an article of his yesterday that was so inclusive of Bush and Blair that his bosses must be wetting thier pants.
2 posted on 04/27/2003 11:28:58 PM PDT by annyokie
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To: Pokey78; Dog Gone; Grampa Dave; blam; Sabertooth; NormsRevenge; Gritty; SierraWasp; Carry_Okie; ...
Yes, this describes my feelings about France!
3 posted on 04/27/2003 11:33:24 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Where is Saddam? and where is Tom Daschle?)
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To: Pokey78
Fear the American Street.

Or, as the Brits apparently say, "HOP OFF, FROGS."
4 posted on 04/27/2003 11:38:13 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Do not play badmitton with George W. Bush.)
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To: Pokey78
And if something mentioned on Fox News today holds true, the hatred of the French will take on all new levels. In passing (I missed the story), I thought that I heard a Fox News announcer say that it's now believed that France was giving Iraq intelligence information right up to the beginning of the war, and maybe even during it.

Again, I am not sure that I heard this correctly, so please let me know if I'm wrong.

But if this is proven, that will be the end of US/Franco relations as we know them.

Mark

5 posted on 04/27/2003 11:39:36 PM PDT by MarkL
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To: MarkL
It's true...see the threads, now current, here at FR. :-)
6 posted on 04/27/2003 11:44:36 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Russia too, no doubt.

Folks, it's not over yet. They are still working against us. We've won Round One. And Round Two with the Weasels has just begun.
7 posted on 04/27/2003 11:57:33 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush
Yes, you're right. This isn't even the end of the beginning. I have a feeling that we've only just heard the overture
8 posted on 04/28/2003 12:01:14 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: MarkL
Everything you ever wondered about the dirty business France had with Iraq is turnign out to be true and worse.

The dirty French actively cooperated with the the Iraq secret police to identify Irapi refugees and exile dissidents attending a conerence in Paris by secretly allowing in photographers. I believe I have this right.

Ann Cynwyd a British MP and one of the most knowledgable people on the planet was one of the sponsors of this conference and her words were that the French behavior was "atrocious". She is demanding an apology from France. I doubt she'll get one.

If it were me, I'd withdraw our ambassador, and let the Froggies stew on that for a while.
9 posted on 04/28/2003 12:10:22 AM PDT by John Valentine (Writing from downtown Seoul, keeping an eye on the hills to the north.)
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To: annyokie
Come on home Tony.
10 posted on 04/28/2003 1:07:13 AM PDT by slasher82
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To: MarkL
A little known piece of history is that the Vichy French actually fought against us when we first became involved in WWII. In our invasion of North Africa to oust the Nazi Germans and give us another front for the invasion of Europe, the Vichy French killed several thousand Americans.

These guys are not our friends.

I'll be happy to see Tariq Aziz enscounced in a mansion with a pension if he gives us the goods on the payoffs made to Chiraq and Americans like McDermott.

11 posted on 04/28/2003 1:24:12 AM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: Pokey78
France's friends in Iraq (On the perfidious nature of France and Jacques Chirac)
12 posted on 04/28/2003 1:33:56 AM PDT by drlevy88
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To: patriciaruth
These are just the British Grave sites in France. It was the same pretty much at the American graves. Yeah they are our friends. Freaking frogs and why should they "clean" up these monuments and headstones, we cannot even expect them to take a bath. Purfume and cologne yes, but soap NO.
13 posted on 04/28/2003 1:52:44 AM PDT by Michael121
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To: Pokey78
GREAT ARTICLE.

THANKS.
14 posted on 04/28/2003 2:37:02 AM PDT by Quix
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To: MarkL
I'm confident it's true they were traitors to the end and beyond.

I HOPE it means the end of the

so called alliance--especially as we've known it.

They are beyond ingrates--traitors, for sure.

And I still think they will end up attacking us. We'd best distance ourselves and prepare well ahead of time.

I suppose one could make an argument for making them our friends to preven such an attack. But I don't think that's possible. They are too arrogant and selfish. Besides that, their rulers are power mongerers after the model of

her unroyal lowness,
her hideous heinous--
Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette.
15 posted on 04/28/2003 2:40:03 AM PDT by Quix
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To: Pokey78
But the British admire a certain je ne sais quoi about French life.

That "je ne sais quoi" is also called a total and complete lack of morality. Also I don't think the British admire it. Rather, they are astonished by it.

The British have been bitch-slapping the French for hundreds of years. They don't have it in their heart to hate perhaps because they almost pity them.

16 posted on 04/28/2003 2:40:18 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: George W. Bush
I strongly agree with you.
17 posted on 04/28/2003 2:40:39 AM PDT by Quix
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To: John Valentine
Our Ambassador and every shred of industry with any remote defense application.

And I'd triple advertising on ALL the compeditors of French products.

And every month, I'd insure media exposure to updates on the French boycott with slants toward increasing such.
18 posted on 04/28/2003 2:42:24 AM PDT by Quix
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To: patriciaruth
Now that's a thought.

Weasels, traitorous weasels indeed.

Would Aziz be THAT CANDID? If not, no deal!
19 posted on 04/28/2003 2:43:26 AM PDT by Quix
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To: Pokey78
Americans have also always had a love affair with la belle France.

However,

"France, by consistently blocking action against Saddam, unquestionably propped up one of the vilest regimes on the planet"
And it was far worse than that. France covertly and in stunning treachery allied itself with and supported a quasi-Nazi enemy that had attacked the United States.

American contempt for Chirac, Villepin, and the French people who support them is the same contempt they have for Adolf Hitler, Klaus Barbie, the French collaborators, and the rest of the Nazi thugs.

French betrayal of America is deeply resented, but the real contempt is for the 21st-century version of Naziism that has taken control of France.

20 posted on 04/28/2003 2:47:31 AM PDT by Savage Beast
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