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To: Billy_bob_bob
NO.

If you want the problem fixed, join the Border Patrol and ask that their forces be multiplied to 2 to 5 times their current strength.

I signed up to kill Communists, Ba'athist & Co., not to chase pimps and coyotes around the countryside of the American Southwest. Force me to do that job and you probably won't like the way I do it. Wait till a squad of soldiers tracks an illegal into an American border town, sees the guy run into a cul-de-sac, and then goes house-to-house smashing peoples' windows in and breaking down doors, then running into people's bedrooms and checking their walk-in closets trying to find the illegal. Now that would be great for civil-military relations!

There have been far too many incidents (e.g., The Mexican-American War, continuous violence on the crooked borders of the various South Asian states, etc.) caused by the fact that troops trained to fight as maneuver warfare brigades make lousy stationary border guards.

I think they ought to follow my proposal: CREATE a 6th military branch for border patrol purposes, but have reduced physical standards and age limits to allow former military or people not quite tough enough for mobile warfare to take part in it. But they would still get to train on military bases and would be bound to the UCMJ, so you could trust them to follow orders.

By starting this 6th branch, you could take advantage of the patriotism (or perhaps just the outrage) of older folks who don't want to go adventuring abroad but want to solve the immigration crisis at home. I'm thinking basically of a more mature version of the nation's Military Police forces, trained only in patrolling and static defense, as opposed to all the quasi-infantry and convoy escort stuff the combat MP outfits go through.

Also, thank God, posse comitatus makes it a pain in the butt for soldiers to do police work within our own borders. You practically have to walk around with a JAG whispering in you rear to avoid violating someone's rights. The new service, like the Coast Guard, could draw it's peacetime authority from some provision outside Title 10, meaning it's members would be subject to the same disciplinary restrictions as military personnel but would carry authority as federal law enforcement personnel, able to arrest, cite people for violations, etc.

Now, if you were to recommend we simply invade Mexico, push them back from the frontier and guard the border from their side, I think we could make a deal...ha.

14 posted on 04/26/2003 5:53:21 PM PDT by American Soldier
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To: American Soldier
That's quite an idea you are proposing there. Quite an idea indeed. Is there anyone else proposing/working on something along these lines?
18 posted on 04/26/2003 6:06:53 PM PDT by Billy_bob_bob ("He who will not reason is a bigot;He who cannot is a fool;He who dares not is a slave." W. Drummond)
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To: American Soldier
You make a fantastic argument.

Thank you.

Do you think that there is a chance that this could happen? As an old warrior I hope so.

TomEaker.com

26 posted on 04/26/2003 6:21:05 PM PDT by Eaker (64,999,987 firearm owners killed no one yesterday. Somehow, it didn't make the news.)
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To: American Soldier
"I think they ought to follow my proposal: CREATE a 6th military branch for border patrol purposes, but have reduced physical standards and age limits to allow former military or people not quite tough enough for mobile warfare to take part in it."

I think you are right.
Take the Coast guard and Border Patrol as the heart of that new Branch, and militarize them to a higher degree. Let them operate within 50 miles either side of the border (as needed)
and tell the Canadians and Mexicans they can either HELP us, in which case we will Help them, or we will essentially close the border and cut them off from their largest market.

Give the land element Fast Lightly Armored all terrain vehicles (Bradleys), and area survielance aircraft (like GlobalHawk), and give the Coast Guard some cutters that were at least made sometime in the last 50 years, and fast interdiction boatss with enough firepower to do the job.

We have the core of the 6th branch by merging the Border Patrol with the 5th Branch.
31 posted on 04/26/2003 6:27:15 PM PDT by konaice
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To: American Soldier
I signed up to kill Communists, Ba'athist & Co., not to chase pimps and coyotes around the countryside of the American Southwest. Force me to do that job and you probably won't like the way I do it. Wait till a squad of soldiers tracks an illegal into an American border town, sees the guy run into a cul-de-sac, and then goes house-to-house smashing peoples' windows in and breaking down doors, then running into people's bedrooms and checking their walk-in closets trying to find the illegal. Now that would be great for civil-military relations!

What are you, a programmed robot? As a member of the military, you are trained to obey and follow orders. If your commanding officer tells you NOT to go house-to-house smashing peoples' windows in and breaking down doors, then running into people's bedrooms and checking their walk-in closets trying to find the illegal alien, then you don't do it, unless you want to face charges of insubordination.

41 posted on 04/26/2003 7:01:19 PM PDT by judgeandjury (The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state.)
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To: American Soldier
"Now, if you were to recommend we simply invade Mexico, push them back from the frontier and guard the border from their side, I think we could make a deal...ha."

You live in DreamLand, my friend. . .

Border Control!?

Kiramba!
We Ain't Got No Stinking Borders!!

71 posted on 04/26/2003 9:16:39 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (LIBERTY has arrived in Iraq - Now we can concentrate on HOLLYWEED!)
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