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To: TonyRo76
People are missing the point. Santorum's actual comments are scarier than what the AP article reported. What Santorum suggests is that states have the right to limit ANY and ALL private activity when a majority deems the activity unhealthy to the family unit. THis includes hetero sex.

Real conservatives should be very worried by this. Privacy is inherent to our Libertarian roots.

4 posted on 04/24/2003 5:49:53 AM PDT by honest injun
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To: honest injun
"Real conservatives should be very worried by this. Privacy is inherent to our Libertarian roots.
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You are not honest, I doubt you are an 'injun' which is far more derogatory than 'squaw', and privacy is not found in the Constitution...anywhere.

Privacy 'rights' are doled out by legislative fiat, not blanket proclamation.

8 posted on 04/24/2003 6:08:51 AM PDT by lawdude
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To: honest injun
Oh, nonsense. How often are the anti-adultery statutes invoked? How often are the anti sodomy statutes invoked? Probably the recent case in Texas was a set-up.

The government has a perfect right to encourage behavior that will build a more stable society, keep families together, and protect children. If they go overboard enforcing the law against private behavior, they will soon be thrown out of office. But that doesn't mean we should say that anything goes, and one form of behavior is as good as another. It's not, because children and families get hurt and the whole society suffers.

There is such a thing as a happy mean between extremes.
10 posted on 04/24/2003 6:16:25 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: honest injun
bullshit...he said if in the house sex was untouchable legally, incest and the like would too.....his point is universal in that queers doing each other is a door to keeping the house sealed but if illegal activity oddures the LAW can come get ya...that was the point,not what has democratically evolved.......a story based on lies....
19 posted on 04/24/2003 6:34:50 AM PDT by cars for sale
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To: honest injun
What Santorum suggests is that states have the right to limit ANY and ALL private activity when a majority deems the activity unhealthy to the family unit. THis includes hetero sex.

Yes, Injun, states DO have that right, but the voters control who is elected to legislatures to actually TAKE such action. On the other hand, if the matter is ruled to be one of constitutional protection, the people's consideration of the matter is completely erased... just as in, for example, Roe v. Wade. No legislature today would ever criminalize heterosexual behavior, unless those who elect them express such a desire.
23 posted on 04/24/2003 6:39:26 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: honest injun
Real conservatives should be very worried by this. Privacy is inherent to our Libertarian roots.

What I find worrying is ideas cannot be discussed without the fascistic Left stooping to vilification and smear tactics to gain political advantage.

Santorum was expressing his opinion, and I agree with him entirely.

35 posted on 04/24/2003 7:07:40 AM PDT by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: honest injun
Privacy is inherent to our Libertarian roots.

First off, REAL conservatives cannot be Libertarians, who are atheist and individualist in the extreme.

REAL conservatives believe that there is a moral order which SHOULD be protected, promoted, and defended by the State.

Libertarians think heroin use is just fine, as long as it doesn't Hurt Anyone Else.

You probably want to re-think your admiration of Libertarianism before you define them as Real Conservatives--because they are NOT.

36 posted on 04/24/2003 7:20:45 AM PDT by ninenot
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To: honest injun
Santorum's argument was simply that the "right to privacy" as interpreted by statutory law into the constitution, is not absolute.

For example, using Santorum's own rational, one cannot expect to have incest with one's own mother or father in the privacy of their own bedroom - and then claim that the government has no right to intervene because of "their right to privacy."

Santorum also argued that polygamy, sodomy (and several other practices I cannot remember) are things which do not not necessarily create a healthy, stable society.

By doing so, he simply reiterated what many constitutional thinkers, lawmakers and theologians have expressed for years.

It's only the knee-jerk race and sex-baiting reactionaries who are trying to make this into a horrific thing.
46 posted on 04/24/2003 7:45:48 AM PDT by Edit35
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To: honest injun
Libertarianism is not an excuse for wrong doing. Does Libertarianism mean incest is okay since it's a "private activity"? Ger real! Homosexuality and sodomy is wrong PERIOD. Trying to smear people of faith, for a political purpose, with the scary paintbrush of violence is a despicable practice and nothing more than political terrorism disguised in the garb of "human rights".
We are not going to blackmaile or scared by purported Libertarians that are, in all probability not what they seem to be-Libertarians.
If you are a genuine Libertarian, everything is NOT okay in the name of "individual choice". Law is based upon moral law also. There is a difference, or should be, between Libertarianism and utter anarchy.
Diana
50 posted on 04/24/2003 7:53:18 AM PDT by DianaN (Eternal Freedom)
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To: honest injun
What Santorum suggests is that states have the right to limit ANY and ALL private activity when a majority deems the activity unhealthy to the family unit. THis includes hetero sex.

Adultery, Incest, Whatever

"So here we have a prominent Republican legislator advocating the right of states to sic their police on two consenting adults in their own home. You don't have to be pro-"anything" to know what's wrong with this. Bigamy and polygamy are not questions of privacy; they are regulated by the state as violations of a legal marriage contract. Whether states should sanction homosexual marriage is also a question of civil law, and a controversial one. But Mr. Santorum isn't taking on that question; he's advocating the criminalization of private behavior between two men or two women that (unlike, often, adultery) has no victims. The fact that many people disapprove of it does not justify sending the police to knock down doors and barge into bedrooms."

56 posted on 04/24/2003 8:25:09 AM PDT by cogitator
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