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Marines may have broken seals on known radioactive material
Christian Science Monitor via Drudge ^ | Thursday, April 10, 5:48pm EDT | unnamed idiot

Posted on 04/10/2003 4:44:40 PM PDT by woofie

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To: Sub-Driver
Here is something else to ponder that reaffirms these assertions that the US are not stupid like Blix & ElBardei: Basically what this "source" is saying is that the Iraqis must have moved all this weapons grade plutonium down underground where the US removed the seals. But according to ElBardei they had no such plutonium, let alone the presumption of the writer of this piece that they, indeed, were known to posess this weapons grade plutonium but couldn't identify where it was because they'd hidden it below ground. It makes no sense! ElBardei gave them a totally clean bill of health with no mention of "gee, the weapons grade plutonium they have is all fine & tagged" or "we can't find some weapons grade plutonium they had but apparently have hidden"


21 posted on 04/10/2003 5:10:35 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: woofie
"Sure, we knew they had radioactive material. I know we said they didn't. But it's OK, we put SEALS on the drums, so it's almost like they didn't exist. We were almost telling the truth. Really. And we could have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for those pesky Marines finding the underground rooms. I'll bet they broke those SEALS, too. Boy, you just can't trust those Americans."
22 posted on 04/10/2003 5:12:58 PM PDT by Rocky
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To: Thinkin' Gal
I bet Scott Ridder is at Burger King right now drowning his sorrows
23 posted on 04/10/2003 5:28:54 PM PDT by woofie
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To: woofie
Are they saying Blix knew Saddam had weapons grade plutonium and just tagged it rather than report it to the world and the UN? If that is the case, Bilx needs to be charged with criminal dereliction of duty!
24 posted on 04/10/2003 5:35:05 PM PDT by F-117A
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To: woofie
Interesting STRATFOR take--explains difference between effects of uranium and plutonium.

Possible Plutonium Find Has Wide and Disturbing Implications

25 posted on 04/10/2003 5:42:06 PM PDT by randita
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To: woofie
How do UN seals keep control of the nuclear material? If the Marines could get in, the Iraqis could get in. The only impact of a UN seal is that the UN might, just might, know if the Iraqis used or moved the material.

If the Iraqis wanted to use material sealed by the UN, no one could stop them. The debating society would pontificate, but would never authorize any punitive action.

The Marines are far better equipped to safeguard nuclear material than the UN ever was.
26 posted on 04/10/2003 5:52:50 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: woofie
What I'm afraid of, is they might have booby trapped the stuff as they left.....
27 posted on 04/10/2003 5:55:03 PM PDT by seams2me
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To: MediaMole
Wait until they find a whole supply of replacement seals somewhere that an unnamed traitor traded them for an underage boy or girl.
28 posted on 04/10/2003 5:58:23 PM PDT by kaboom
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To: woofie
such crap....they didn't miss it.....blixy never found anything
29 posted on 04/10/2003 5:59:24 PM PDT by The Wizard (Saddamocrats are enemies of Ameri)
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To: woofie

C.I.A. Seal


30 posted on 04/10/2003 6:05:05 PM PDT by DainBramage
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31 posted on 04/10/2003 6:05:23 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: woofie
FoxNews also has an article, and obligatorily mentions these ludicrous claims, but also includes this admission:

"David Kay, a former IAEA chief nuclear inspector, said Thursday that the teams he oversaw after the 1991 Gulf War never found an underground site at Tuwaitha despite persistent rumors."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,83867,00.html

Now could someone kindly explain how did the UN place seals in locations they never found, on material they never knew existed.
32 posted on 04/10/2003 6:18:30 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: kaboom
The only seals our guys know about are Navy Seals.

If there were seals on those drums, Blix must have got them from a Cracker Jack Box.
33 posted on 04/10/2003 6:23:34 PM PDT by POGIFFMOO (illegitimi non carborundum)
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To: FairOpinion
And in buildings that apparently were built *after* 1998!
34 posted on 04/10/2003 7:31:58 PM PDT by WOSG (Liberate Iraq! God Bless our Troops!)
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To: woofie
"What happened apparently was that they broke IAEA seals, which is very unfortunate because those seals are integral to ensuring that nuclear material doesn't get diverted," the expert said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

BS, its safer than its ever been.

35 posted on 04/10/2003 7:33:23 PM PDT by finnman69 (!)
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To: woofie
The lefties never stop, even when confronted by fact and truth. They all are in the same catagory as "Bagdad Bob". I knew this guy had a future after the war, he'll be working for the UN.

Hey UN...No guts, no glory! They'll never understand that, but we do.

36 posted on 04/10/2003 7:45:48 PM PDT by timydnuc (FR)
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To: woofie
Marines may be tough, but they aren't stupid. They are certainly tough enough that someone who calls one stupid will probably get their a** kicked.
37 posted on 04/10/2003 7:52:32 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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Iraq has had a stash of a known quantity of material leftover from its university research reactor years and years ago- this high grade stuff was, according too this article, removed years ago. I am not sure if this is correct, though- as I have seen other reports which implied it was merely under seal of the IAEA, along with stuff along the lines of the yellow cake that Iraq obtained from Brazil in the eighties. (The Iraqi embassy in Brazil was burning its records yesterday...)

The IAEA periodically inspects the known stashes to ensure the seals were still in place, and Iraq had no reason to hide any of this since it was known to exist and hiding it would be pointless.

This was NOT the stuff the Marines found, you can bet on that... Iraq would need to keep IAEA sealed material up where IAEA officials could find it during any unexpected visits. If Iraq has material hidden underground, it's safe to say this hidden material is not known by the AIEA or UN to exist and the Iraqis were intent on keeping it from being discovered.

It would be interesting to know if this underground facility also has centrifuges

POLICYWATCH
Number 301 February 18, 1998

SPECIAL POLICY FORUM REPORT
IRAQ'S NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM:PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE CHALLENGES

DAVID ALBRIGHT

On January 23, 1998, David Albright, president of the Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS) and a noted expert on nuclear proliferation, addressed The Washington Institute on the status of Iraq's nuclear weapons program. The following are a rapporteur's summary of his remarks.

Iraq's nuclear program consisted of two elements: a long-range program dating back to the early 1980's and a crash program initiated after the 1990 invasion of Kuwait.

Ha[d] Iraq not invaded Kuwait, its long- range nuclear program, involving the enrichment of uranium by various means, probably would have yielded a small arsenal of nuclear weapons by the mid-1990's.

The crash program involved plans to use safeguarded highly-enriched uranium to build one or two nuclear weapons. This project would have been completed no sooner than 1991 had the Gulf War not intervened earlier that year.

Most of the long range program and the crash program has been uncovered and dismantled as a result of inspection by the IAEA action team. The highly-enriched uranium that Iraq possessed (in the form of reactor fuel) has been removed from the country, and Iraq has revealed a good deal about the pre-1991 program-particularly after Husayn Kamil's defection in 1995. However, because of deception at the heart of Iraq's nuclear program from the beginning, it has been very difficult to get to the bottom of the matter. Moreover, there is reason to believe that Iraq remains committed to recreating its nuclear weapons program.

Gaps in Iraq's Nuclear Story.

The most significant gap in the action team's knowledge concerns how close Iraq was to building a nuclear weapon. The action team lacks documents on the matter, much of the information provided by the Iraqis is inconsistent, and there is a great deal of reticence by the Iraqis to answer questions. As a result, there are varying assessments of how close they were to building a bomb, which range form months to several (three to four) years. The Iraqis refuse to provide any further progress in the area.

Another area where there remain major discrepancies concerns Iraq's effort to build gas centrifuges to enrich uranium. This program was created, with the help of German centrifuge experts. One of these experts is in jail in Brazil and has refused to cooperate with the IAEA. He has, however, raised significant doubts in television interviews about the Iraqi account of the program. As a result, major questions about the timetable of the centrifuge program remain: how close was Iraq to mastering centrifuge manufacturing techniques and technologies?

Finally, there are major information gaps concerning the location of bottlenecks in the Iraqi effort. In other words, where were they encountering problems in their effort to get the bomb? Knowing where the Iraqis were stuck and where they were making progress is crucial to designing an effective monitoring and verification regime in the future. Such knowledge would help determine where to deploy monitoring assets to uncover efforts to resolve these bottlenecks.

Iraq's efforts to obscure these basic facts about its nuclear weapons program, and the fact that it has kept various weapons design teams together, leads to the conclusion that it will again try to build a nuclear weapon if given the opportunity to do so.

Toward the Future. How long would it take for Iraq to resurrect its nuclear program? If Iraq were to pursue the enrichment of uranium using gas centrifuges, it may be several years before it succeeded. Moreover, there is a good chance that these efforts would be discovered, though a centrifuge enrichment plant may not be easy to find. On the other hand, if Iraq were to obtain weapons grade uranium or plutonium form abroad, they may be able to turn this into a nuclear weapon fairly quickly-within a year.

The problem with the latter scenario is that no verification system is likely to detect the import of small quantities of plutonium or highly-enriched uranium. While there is no evidence to date of the diversion of fissile material from the former Soviet union (or elsewhere) to Iraq, "no evidence" does not mean it has not happened.

The most important asset that Iraq retains is its nuclear know-how. Its nuclear scientists are the key to the future of the program. Thus, perhaps the best way to prevent the revival of this program is to insist that as a condition for the lifting of sanctions, several dozen key scientists and their families be allowed to leave Iraq for residence elsewhere. More than any other possible measure, this would set back Iraq's nuclear efforts for years to come.

This Special Policy Forum Report was prepared by Megan Fisher.

38 posted on 04/10/2003 7:55:48 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: woofie
the expert said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

I always believe people who speak on condition of anonymity. Especially employees of the UN.

39 posted on 04/10/2003 8:04:57 PM PDT by aBootes
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To: woofie
Hmmm.... according to this the AIEA removed all nuclear material from the site - well, the above ground part, anyway- here is some very good background info in al Tuwaitha inspections:

Tuwaitha - Iraq Special Weapons Facilities

Searches on David Albright will bring up lots of info on Iraq's nuclear program.

At the time of inspections materials were suspected to have been hidden somewhere nearby but evidently no one knew where.

40 posted on 04/10/2003 8:08:15 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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