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The next battle for Pfc. Jessica Lynch
WND ^ | April 10, 2003 | Jane Chastain

Posted on 04/10/2003 3:19:09 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

Pfc. Jessica Lynch will be flown to Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C., soon. She has been isolated from media coverage of her rescue and has no idea what awaits her when she regains her health.

Private Lynch survived the ambush in Iraq of the Army's 507th Ordnance Maintenance Company, but can she survive the ambush of the feminine forces of political correctness that placed her in harm's way.

These people want to use her to promote their theory that men and women soldiers are the same. This thesis is, of course, unprovable. While women may be just as smart, brave and mentally tough as men, physically they are shorter, lighter and weaker. No amount of physical training can make up for these differences. Therefore, the feminist goal of a genderless society must be achieved by manipulation, intimidation and indoctrination.

The feminists found willing accomplices in Democrat presidents Jimmy Carter – who viewed war as unnecessary – and Bill Clinton, who wasn't above hiding behind the skirts he was unable to lift.

In 1979, Carter attempted to repeal the restriction that prevents women from serving in combat units. When Congress said, "No," he had his secretary of the army, Clifford Alexander, redefine "combat." When Alexander was finished, women were shielded from only 22 percent of the jobs in the services.

In 1993, Clinton's secretary of defense, Les Aspin, also went to work on the combat definition. Aspin eliminated the "no risk" rule, which had prevented women from being assigned to units in close proximity with hostile forces, where there is a high risk of enemy gunfire or capture. As a result, the combat definition now is meaningless and unsuspecting women like Lynch have been sent into battle zones.

Congress also played a pro-active role in this debacle. In April of 1991, during debate on the 1992 defense authorization bill, Rep. Pat Schroeder, D. Colo., persuaded members of the House Armed Services Committee to strike the language in the U.S. Code that barred women from flying combat missions in the Air Force and the Navy "as a reward" for their service in Desert Storm.

This hearing was not open to the public and there was no roll-call vote. However, there were veterans on that committee who should have known better – like "B-1 Bob" Dornan, R. Calif., and Randy "Duke" Cunningham, R. Calif., the first fighter ace of the Vietnam War.

When the bill went to the Senate, members hedged their bets. They passed it with the Schroeder amendment while adding another amendment calling for a presidential commission to study the issue. This was tantamount to a doctor deciding to run a test on the reflexes of a patient's knee after the leg had been removed.

The bill was signed into law by President George H. W. Bush, who also knew better! The Joint Chiefs of Staff had testified that lifting the combat exclusion for female aviators ultimately would force the armed forces to assign women to all combat units.

Unfortunately, all these changes in law and regulations were made with little fanfare, little mention in the press. Also, a myth was perpetrated that once combat positions were open to women, they simply would be allowed to decide if they wished to accept these dangerous assignments.

That myth was shattered on March 23, 2003, when the 507th Ordnance Maintenance Company was ambushed after being lost, resulting in the capture of Pfc. Lynch, who is one of the more fortunate members of her unit. Nine are confirmed dead, including her former roommate, Pfc. Lori Piestewa. Five others are POWs, including Spec. Shoshana Johnson.

Make no mistake, the death and capture of any soldier – male or female – is equally tragic but a policy that does not take into consideration the profound differences between women and men is not only wrong, it is immoral.

Gender norming, the lowering of physical fitness standards and the combining of male and female recruits in entry-level training in all the services – except the Marines – is an attempt to gloss over these differences. This not only reduces individual readiness, it subjects our male soldiers, sailors and airmen to greater stresses and increases their risk of capture and casualty.

The combat-exclusion rule must be reinstated and the definition of combat redrawn before we face another war and a stronger enemy.

No one doubts the bravery of the women of the 507th. Let's just hope that Pfc. Lynch is as brave in confronting the feminists, when it comes time to address these truths, as she was in standing up to the paramilitary in Iraq.

Will she become a soldier of truth – or remain a prisoner of political correctness?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: 507th; awgeez; combat; emotionalmen; feminazis; feminists; ftbliss; genderequity; hotheadedmen; lynch; military; pfclynch; socialissues
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To: Poohbah
" Kindly explain why it is "unlikely.""

I'd rather you think it through yourself. Pick the top 3 wars that seem most likely in the next 20 years. What's the nature of those "civilizations". Imagine how we will engage the enemy. Weigh the odds of a elements in those battles regimental size unit verses a cops size units being captured.

101 posted on 04/11/2003 7:00:09 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: HairOfTheDog

Jessica is being used, but not by anyone pushing for women in all combat roles... She is being used by those against women serving at all in the military, in some kind of "Oh my God we can't let this girl be considered a hero or we are all sunk" kind of pre-emptive attack. It's unseemly.

It is likely that both sides will endeavor to use Jessica to advance their agenda. However, it's been my observation that the folks who are against women in the military have been the most vocal to date.

Of course, either side using this woman's courage and patriotism to advance their political agenda is contemptible. As the father of a woman in the military, I find some of the condescending gratuitous remarks about women in the military especially offensive.

Of course, no person, man or woman should be placed in a position they are incapable of handling. To do so would be placing an unnecessary risk to the soldier and his or her fellow service people. I believe there is little evidence to support the claim that are military has unnecessarily placed at risk the lives of our service people.

102 posted on 04/11/2003 7:01:59 AM PDT by CharacterCounts
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To: infowarrior
"Tells me how long ago you were in then, elfman. Haven't been regimental HQs in the Army for a long time. "

My service dates are in my bio (click on my name). As far as I know, the USMC still fields tasks force composed of regimental sized units. A Marine Amphibious (now Expeditionary) Brigade's was composed of a Regimental Landing Team, as well as similar sized air and logistics components. I just heard news of 3/5 (Third battalion 5th Marines). I presume the 5th Marine Regimental HQ is fielded, but maybe things have changed since 85.

103 posted on 04/11/2003 7:08:01 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: CharacterCounts
I believe there is little evidence to support the claim that are military has unnecessarily placed at risk the lives of our service people.

Of course, either side using this woman's courage and patriotism to advance their political agenda is contemptible. As the father of a woman in the military, I find some of the condescending gratuitous remarks about women in the military especially offensive.

I fully agree with your post and couldn't say it better!

104 posted on 04/11/2003 7:13:46 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (May it be a light for you in dark places, when all other lights go out.)
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To: FirstTomato
The cat is already out of the bag, and I didn't say that once written things can't be changed if they were wrong, what I said was that there has to be a compelling reason, and I haven't seen that reason developing...
105 posted on 04/11/2003 7:21:20 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (May it be a light for you in dark places, when all other lights go out.)
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To: The Westerner
You are like a voice from another century, another time and place. I believe we are too far gone to recapture the romanticism of those days.

That may be, but that makes him no less correct.

106 posted on 04/11/2003 7:47:02 AM PDT by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: usmcobra; infowarrior
"it doesn't matter one lick that any women were with them, the results would have been the same or worse, because they were basically unprotected except for their personal weapons. "

I wasn't claiming that men could fight their way out. I was claiming that this was an instance of women being assigned to units that prepare to support troops in an active combat zone. Infowarrior says that Jessica's Direct Support Maintenance Battalion functions only at the corps level, but I'm not clear if he knows if its assets exclusively operate there or if they are expected to support battalion or brigade HQs.

Re the PT tests. Why should women have lower PT targets than men if they are expected to do the same job? I don't want to come across as some kind of right wing ideologue freak, but it seems that the two are incompatible. There are of course greater inconsistencies that Marines (and civilians) put up with, but unless someone has a better explanation than I can come up with, that's always going to be a thorn in the side.

I'm not even against women in the military. I dated a good one for several month (just after she got out on a hardship discharge for being a single mom). I'm just against pretending they're something that they're not (equal to men in combat support performance) and then treating them with all the special care that ladies should have. I say pick one, any one.

I think that if we're going to let little teenage cuties drive into combat zones among barbarians, we need to make it very clear to them the horrors that they risk, that they're going to be judged by male standards, that their privacy and dignity as a ladies will not be guaranteed. And to some degree, they need to train under those conditions, not just pull out of support roles when most needed. I'm sure there are some women who'd thrive in those conditions. And I suspect Jessica would choose another path.

So for women like Jessica, if we want to take advantage of the benefits they can bring to our military, there are needs in division and higher level units that could very much use their skills and service. I believe that those positions should be specialist positions, being an exception to the Marine's policy that everyone is a rifleman first, so that standards can be adjusted to their nature.

Having a two option service path should satisfy the radicals who truly just want equal opportunity as people who recognize our differences. And having different standards for each should eliminate the contradictions currently in our integration.

107 posted on 04/11/2003 8:03:59 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: CharacterCounts
"It is likely that both sides will endeavor to use Jessica to advance their agenda. However, it's been my observation that the folks who are against women in the military have been the most vocal to date"

I think that it just looks that way because this is an instance that supports that side of the argument. A case could be made that the other side of the debate was using her to promote their goals by inappropriately putting her there in the first place. Not many of them are going to raise their heads very high or be very aggressive in promoting their position at this time.

But your claim that some here are "using this woman's courage and patriotism to advance their political agenda" is unsupportable nonsense. If anything, they're using the horrors of her tragedy to advance a "agenda". Of course they would label the other side's goals as an "agenda".

108 posted on 04/11/2003 8:18:14 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: I_dmc
You know what? Before this discussion, it never ocurred to me that male POWs would be raped. It's not that I am naive. I just never thought about it.

I did a quick google search, but could not find anything of significance in regard to gender-specific male POW rape. Lots of them about females.

One comment I did find was this: "Most victims Veteran Affairs deals with are male as they make up the majority of the military population. But Ret. Naval Capt. Lory Manning with The Women's Research and Education Institute says that 'a lot of the men have come forward with their sexual assault stories but they wait until they're out of the military.'"

http://www.womensenews.org/weekly.cfm

I am sure those men did not share their stories with females ... shame or protecting women from knowing these things happen?
109 posted on 04/11/2003 8:22:04 AM PDT by JudyB1938 (It's a wild world. There's a lot of bad and beware.)
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To: tang-soo; hchutch; Chancellor Palpatine
You're thinking of Kara Hultgreen.

Much as it pains this Navy brat/former Marine to admit that the United States Air Farce (aka The Sinister Forces of Darkness) does ANYTHING right, the Air Force handled the issue much more sensibly. They (a) expected women to fly as competently as the men, and (b) they laid down the law on misbehaving female pilots much more readily than their Navy counterparts (witness the Kelly Flynn business).
110 posted on 04/11/2003 8:32:14 AM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Poohbah
Of course, the Navy pilots had a rep already.

Somehow, I think the wild parties depicted in Top Gun weren't that far removed from reality.

But hold the combat pilots to the same standard, and we'll be okay. Heck, we'll have a somewhat bigger pool of combat pilots.
111 posted on 04/11/2003 8:40:42 AM PDT by hchutch (America came, America saw, America liberated; as for those who hate us, Oderint dum Metuant)
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To: elfman2
I'd rather you think it through yourself.

Translation: gosh, I don't have a frickin' clue as to what I'm talking about, so I will demand that the other guy do my work for me.

Pick the top 3 wars that seem most likely in the next 20 years.

Korea, Venezuela or Brazil, and either Iran or Syria.

What's the nature of those "civilizations".

None are particularly known for being polite to captives.

Imagine how we will engage the enemy.

In any such war, if we're deploying a corps headquarters, it means that we're putting boots on the ground as opposed to engaging the enemy solely by means of precision strike.

Second, the enemy can be assumed to have figured out the blindingly obvious: namely, that directly engaging American frontline combat units is a rather messy way of committing suicide. Therefore, the enemy is likely to avoid direct contact as much as possible, and to focus on engaging logistics and combat support elements.

Third, the enemy is unlikely to use uniformed forces, preferring to use irregulars who play at being friendly until they see an opportunity.

Weigh the odds of a elements in those battles regimental size unit verses a cops size units being captured.

A frontline regiment versus a rear headquarters? The HQ is by far a more likely target--fewer real shooters, far more "noncombatant" types.

112 posted on 04/11/2003 8:41:13 AM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: hchutch
You've ID'd the problem: the Navy was still smarting over Tailhook.

What America didn't like was the image of thirty-something educated professionals acting like drunken frat boys.
113 posted on 04/11/2003 8:42:26 AM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Poohbah
Of course, I think the other problem was they didn't quite realize how tough carrier aviation is.

Particularly landing at night - which even occurs in peacetime. They get hazard pay for a reason. Not defending Tailhook `91, but there had to be a way for naval aviators to decompress.
114 posted on 04/11/2003 8:46:09 AM PDT by hchutch (America came, America saw, America liberated; as for those who hate us, Oderint dum Metuant)
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To: hchutch
There's "decompress," and there's acting like Belushi and Company in Animal House.
115 posted on 04/11/2003 8:47:15 AM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Poohbah
"Translation: gosh, I don't have a frickin' clue as to what I'm talking about, so I will demand that the other guy do my work for me… Korea, Venezuela or Brazil, and either Iran or Syria. "

Son, any one of those dirtball militaries have a better chance of capturing civilian women on our Texas border than in a division HQ during wartime. Go play with your toy solders and don't address me again.

116 posted on 04/11/2003 8:55:39 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: elfman2
Are you saying that this woman didb't display patriotism or courage?

Obviously both sides have an agenda. Using this soldier to advance their political agenda is unseemly for either side. Latching on to other people's fortunes or misfortunes to advance their own political cause has long been a tactic of the left. Conservatives should avoid it as it is always the weak sister to logical argument and is usually less than honest.

It would be nice if people could put their agendas aside, for once, and just celebrate that this soldier was fortunate enough, with the help of fellow soldiers, to have survived this ordeal and will be returning home to her family.

117 posted on 04/11/2003 8:59:49 AM PDT by CharacterCounts
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To: elfman2
Son, any one of those dirtball militaries have a better chance of capturing civilian women on our Texas border than in a division HQ during wartime.

Oh, you mean that they'd all play by strict Geneva Convention rules so they would lose more quickly?

Get real. The world saw, once again, that to go toe-to-toe with a Marine 0311 or a US Army 11B is to court swift death.

They'll target the cooks, clerks, bakers, and candle-stick makers.

Go play with your toy solders and don't address me again.

Son, you probably know about as much about real battle as those bilious bastards at the Saturday Evening Post know about fornicating.

118 posted on 04/11/2003 9:01:37 AM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: elfman2
You've done well here. The Social Engineers are very active on these threads. You'll notice they posse ping when they need help.

Good Work....unfortunately, if Bush and Rummy won't roll back this nonsense then I doubt anyone will until we get into a war where the attrition rates of dead mommies and daughters gets folks attention.

Everyone here is arguing the tactical question. I feel that the societal issues are just as important if not more so.

Regards....the wisest minds are on our side publicly on this. Thank You for your service as a Marine.
119 posted on 04/11/2003 9:15:22 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Poohbah
Son, you probably know about as much about real battle as those bilious bastards at the Saturday Evening Post know about fornicating.

I love Patton too.

120 posted on 04/11/2003 9:26:51 AM PDT by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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