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YOU'RE NOT PATRIOTIC, YOU'RE A TRAITOR
Iconoclast ^ | April 10, 2003 | Erik Barath

Posted on 04/10/2003 7:05:53 AM PDT by Apolitical

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To: megiblet
Or is he just happy to line his pocket while he is here? This little excerpt from your rant indicates how little you know about George W. Bush.

President Bush does not NEED any more money. He has a personal fortune of some $16 million earned from the sale of the Texas Rangers baseball team. Tell me why he would be motivated to acquire more. Sixteen million dollars, a Presidential salary of $500,000 and a handsome federal retirement, all this sounds as though the man has all the financial assets one would need. No?

Now tell me exactly how he would go about "lining his pockets" in the full view of the American people. You, sir, know very little. Come back when you have some experience. Twenty-two is much too young to be spouting off about the ways of the world.

81 posted on 04/10/2003 4:05:13 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: megiblet
(On a side-note, what ever happened to my basic freedom to walk around nude? How can you make a law against something which mother nature herself deemed as we are born nude?)

Do you really want to see people like Helen Thomas or Michael Moore walking around naked?????

90 posted on 04/12/2003 5:54:19 AM PDT by LRS
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To: megiblet
we put on such a charade of searching their storehouses for weapons of mass destruction...

SS. We? The US is not the UN!

91 posted on 04/12/2003 6:21:29 AM PDT by sausageseller
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To: netmilsmom
Easy -

He states "I respect anyone with well thought out opinions" - have him question the support behind these people's opinions. Usually there is nothing but hot air supposition and half truths.

The real problem with weak minded people is they believe what they are told by the media. They say they respwect a "well thought out opinion" but in reality just want to repeat what they heard onthe news or on the cover of Time magazine. The left centric spin of the media - with few if ever conservative opinions present in the discourse - leads people into these positions.

Ask general questions not concerned with the war - ask what % of population pays income tax. What % of blacks are born out of wedlock. etc. When they realize what information they aren't getting - then they will understand why they are misled.

92 posted on 04/12/2003 6:30:33 AM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: megiblet
"Bush because he does nothing for the majority of Americans, his thoughts are only with his pockets, and with the pockets of his funders and "rich" allies. He does not give us universal health care, which is a universal right, nor does he do anything to strengthen laws to help our planet, on the contrary, he has been cutting them to pieces."

More mindless utopian sloganeering from the whiny left. Where in the world do you get the idea that there is a "right" to universal health care? Let me give you a revelation missy that will serve you well later in life: No one has a "right" to anything they can't accomplish by themselves. No one "owes" you anything. Freedom is the right to sink or swim; flounder or fourish on the basis of one's own abilities, persistence and grit. As you sit there posting on your computer and sending your sniviling electrons over the billion dollar universal network you have easy access to, while you daughter sleeps soundly and well fed, complaining about your "poverty", please understand that right now you have a better standard of living and are more well off than 90% of the people in the world; past and present.

As I think about you sitting there in front of your computer feeling sorry for yourself, I am saddened by the realization that you will likely never be much of a success nor will you receive great happiness. Why do I think this? Because anyone who can sit in this land of the greatest opportunity and social mobility in the history of the word and complain about how bad they've got it because others aren't giving them what they are "owed", is destined for faliure. Even the most abused, downtrodden, Pi**ed upon, poverty stricken minority, can rise to great material and spiritual success in this country. I know, I see them every day. One thing each one has in common is that they didn't sit around complaining about not getting what they are owed. That is not the philosophy of winners. They got that way by setting goals and working to accomplish them. They got that way by perservering and not letting the unfairness and roadblocks which get in everyone's way stop them from their goal. Whereas you dwell on what you don't have, they focus on what they are going to achieve. They don't worry that some have it easier than they and that they are denied certain privileges. This just hightens their resolve to roll up their sleeves and work harder. You can have anything you ever desired and live your fondest dreams or you can wallow in your self made misery. The choice is yours.

93 posted on 04/12/2003 6:39:45 AM PDT by joebuck
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To: megiblet
to be healthy is a universal right!

Where does this notion come from? Most of the people of the world don't get to exercise it so how can it be a universal right? Who would uphold this right? For an example of universal health care look to England. And then look up a thread regarding Paul McCartney. He had someone he cared about ill recently so he got them a private doctor, not the National Health. Why? Because he knew he'd get better care. Because universal care will always yield the bare minimum of care, never the best. We should strive for better.
94 posted on 04/12/2003 6:44:26 AM PDT by republicofdavis
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To: megiblet
i don't secretly wish i didnt have to pay taxes.

Well, then, don't ever complain about what the government decides is "your fair share", especially if you're ever in the place of having to pay more on April 15. My guess is you're getting the Earned Income Credit, which is basically a handout to people, so you're getting back more than you paid in, or at least are breaking even. In effect, you are not paying taxes. Since you don't begrudge paying taxes, then sonce you pay none, you're not entitled to any of the "benefits" that those of us who do pay taxes are entitled to. Puts a different spin on it, doesn't it? Besides that, over 96% of income taxes are paid by the top 50% of wage earners, a bracket which you clearly are not in. Yet you rant about the rich not paying their "fair share". well, you've detailed how you are by no means rich, but if taxes are raised, "they" are the ones who should pay more, not you. That 96% would increase to 97, 98, even 99% of all taxes paid by wage earners. The rich are already shouldering nearly all the tax burden! There are some who pay more in taxes than you earn in a year (and some who pay several multiples of your yearly wages), yet somehow "they" aren't paying enough!

i wish i didn't have to drive a car and burn oil so that the ozone could be even more depleted.

well, you could always become Amish, then all you'd have to deal with is smelling like horse-pucky...and no electricity, no computer, no telephone...yeah, that's the ticket! Of course, then you'd have to burn wood or coal to heat your house....and we're right back to that nasty old air pollution problem again....do you believe every bit of junk scinece that is used to try to make public policy? have you researched this stuff on your own to discover that behind a lot of the so-called "scientific" data, there is a Statist, Leftist, Socialist agenda designed to reduce American standards of living to third world levels? Don't believe me? use that Internet connection to search for information. You'll be surprised at what you find! also, may I recommend a book, James Brovard's "Freedom in Chains"? It's an eye-opener.

the threat of terrorism...its acts like this war on iraq that is a threat, we're just asking to be retaliated on.

Have you forgotten Sept. 11? Who attacked who? If we had done nothing, the terrorists would have been emboldened to do even more. Our actions in Afghanistan and Iraq send a clear message to terrorists: If you mess with us, we will mess with you in several orders of magnitude greater. Terrorists are by nature cowards. They want to inflict harm while remaining safe themselves. I'm not talking about the lackies they recruit to carry out their cowardly acts, I'm talking about the ones who plan, finance, and provide materials to carry out those attacks. Those people have no wish to be martyrs themselves, they just convince other to be martyrs for them, while they hide, and avoid capture. For the US to just withdraw, and curl up into fetal position, is morally bankrupt, it is suicide, and would not stop the attacks against us. Their stated intent is not for us to leave them alone, their stated intent is to destroy us, and that means you, your baby, me, my family, and everyone else on this forum. Wake up! To do nothing is suicide!

innocence...we are born innocent and we die that way. people who let themselves be ruled by fear sometimes become overwhelmed and are led to do things that they otherwise wouldn't have.

What in the world are you talking about? You are denying that anyone is responsible for anything they do, that actions do not have consequences! You are arguing for moral relativism, no absolute standards of right or wrong. You believe that man is basically good, and will not operate in self-interest unless forced to by some outside circumstance. God Himself has stated otherwise. "All have sinned, and fallen short of the glory of God"; "There is none righteous, no not one. None seeks after God."; "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom." Our society, our government, is founded on Christian principles, and acknowledges the existence of God, and His control and direction of the affairs of men. It is sad that our society has drifted far from some of those principles, but that is evidence that those principles are, in fact, right and good. No Society can long exist which ignores and disallows the existence of God, and His moral principles.

if everyone is getting universal healthcare, then everyone will be paying for it, thats everyone paying for their own healthcare.

Isn't that what we're doing now? Paying for our own healthcare? Why involve the government? It would only reduce the quality and effectiveness of the healthcare we already have, which is the best in the world!

taxes need to be redone, tax people according to how much they make, and not tax the hell out of the poor. tax the big greedy corporations, those over-paid professional athletes and actors, etc.

Who do you think provides the jobs that people work so they can pay taxes (which seems to be what you think is the reason people work)? Those "greedy" corporations....and I'll bet you work for one, don't you? Do you have the slightest understanding of how business operates? That businesses are in the business of making money? That's their reason to exist, to make money over and above what it costs to produce the goods and services they were created to provide. Why? So they can improve their goods and services, thereby creating job security for their employees, and a return on investment for their investors, the people who provide the money to operate in the first place. No company will exist for very long if it doesn't make a consistent profit. Companies that are taxed to death, regulated to death, and don't make a profit go out of business, which puts people out of work, and causes people to lose money. You need to get an education in how business operates, economics, and the free-market system. You obviously do not understand how our economy operates.

I don't mean to sound like I'm coming down on you as a person, I'm simply trying to point out that you haven't really thought your positions through with any kind of logical reasoning. They seem to be emotional reactions more than anything, and emotional reactions are not a valid basis to make public policy. Inequities exist in society, and it is not the government's primary responsibility to redress those inequities, seeing that many of them are caused by situations which are the responsibility of the individual, either by acts of commission or omission. It is not the responsibility of the government to rescue the individual from suffering the consequences of their own actions or inactions. People make choices, some good, some bad. What they get in return is based on those choices. When you ask government to step in and insulate people from the consequences of their choices, you perpetuate the very things you want to stop. In this country we should have the freedom to learn from our mistakes, not to be insulated from them.

95 posted on 04/12/2003 11:11:27 AM PDT by nobdysfool (Let God be true, and every man a liar....)
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To: megiblet; Constitution Day
you know this because you've tried to sit down with a sociopath and discuss peaceful ideas?

BWAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAA!

silly me, i thought we just went in, guns blazing, bombs dropping! not to mention the fact that we put on such a charade of searching their storehouses for weapons of mass destruction...

*sigh*....never mind...

96 posted on 04/12/2003 4:19:49 PM PDT by ZinGirl (Hey, CD....we're on vacation...drove through Wilson....no BBQ for us)
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