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Russian Accuses U.S. of Firing on Convoy
The Guardian (UK) ^ | April 7, 2003 | Associated Press

Posted on 04/07/2003 9:53:42 AM PDT by Mister Magoo

Russian Accuses U.S. of Firing on Convoy

Monday April 7, 2003 5:20 PM

MOSCOW (AP) - Russia's ambassador to Iraq on Monday accused American troops of firing on his convoy outside Baghdad, but a U.S. diplomat said it was still unclear who was responsible for the incident, which Russian officials said wounded at least four people.

Ambassador Vladimir Titorenko said U.S. forces fired on the convoy - which was carrying Russian diplomats and journalists toward Syria on Sunday - despite clear markings and efforts to let them know it was not carrying fighters.

``The economic counselor tried to signal to let them know we are foreigners but they fired at him and now he is suffering wounds to the head,'' Titorenko told the Saudi-owned Al-Arabiya satellite channel before heading for Syria.

``I informed Moscow and the embassy immediately that the Americans opened fire on a Russian diplomatic car and on the car of the Russian ambassador, which very clearly had the Russian flag on it,'' said Titorenko, whose broken index finger was bandaged.

He said that the firing from the Americans lasted 30-40 minutes, but it was unclear whether he meant that U.S. forces fired at the convoy for that period of time. A Russian journalist who was in the convoy said Sunday that it was caught in crossfire while passing Iraqi positions near Baghdad's outskirts and might have been hit by both U.S. and Iraqi forces.

A Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman said Russia had not yet received any official information from either the United States or the Iraqis and was awaiting their conclusions.

A senior U.S. diplomat said the United States had assured Russia that no harm was intended but was not accepting responsibility. ``It's still not clear how yesterday's incident unfolded, but it does appear that the Russian convoy came into an area where we were engaged in a firefight with Iraqi forces,'' the diplomat said.

The diplomat said the United States had coordinated with the Russians on the evacuation and had discussed various routes, but had stressed that they could not offer absolute safety guarantees because Iraq is a war zone and much of the route was not under U.S. control. The convoy was ``in the wrong place at the wrong time,'' the diplomat said.

In Qatar, Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks said the U.S. Central Command had received reports about an exchange of gunfire that hit part of the convoy, but he added ``we don't have ... anything that would confirm the role of U.S. forces in that.''

``We do know it went through a contested area, an area that certainly had Iraqi forces present, and we fought those forces later in the day,'' Brooks said.

Titorenko and most of the diplomats crossed into Tanef, Syria, on Monday afternoon. A medically equipped Russian plane was to take them to Moscow on Tuesday.

One of the Russian diplomats underwent surgery and was at an Iraqi-controlled hospital in Fallujah, 50 kilometers (30 miles) west of Baghdad, on Monday, Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Yakovenko said. Another diplomat stayed with him.

Yakovenko did not comment on Russian media reports that bullet holes in the vehicle and a bullet removed from an injured diplomat matched the caliber of bullets from an American M-16 rifle.

The U.S. diplomat said both sides recognized that the incident would not affect U.S.-Russian ties. The shooting came as Russia and the United States are seeking to ensure that their differences over the war, which Russia opposes, do not ruin their relationship.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: flee; iraq; russia; titorenko; warlist
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To: Mister Magoo
Dear Russia:
  1. Your alleged 'diplomats' should not have been in Baghdad when we began to invade it. In fact, your alleged 'diplomats' should have left Baghdad when we began bombing the crap out of it.
  2. Your people were advising the Iraqi military before and after coalition troops entered Iraq.
  3. Your country supplied the Iraqi military with GPS jammers and night vision weapons, as well as grenade launchers and other weaponry.
  4. The very fact that you people are ALIVE proves we didn't bomb your convoy, which just happened to leave Baghdad the day Putin started whining about being left out of post Saddam Iraq and fled toward SYRIA, which is providing weapons and jihadis to Iraq.

In conclusion: it wasn't us, you b@stards KNOW it wasn't us, you probably set off a grenade your own convoy of fleeing military advisors in order to create an incident so you can weasel some post Saddam concessions, I personally kinda regret we DIDN'T bomb your sorry butts near the Syrian border of Iraq, and STFU Russia.

Go gas some civilian hostages or something.

21 posted on 04/07/2003 10:32:20 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions= Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: try phecta tom
"If they are so smart why did they wait till two days before the fall of bagdad to leave? Hedging their bets?"

Providing military advice to the enemy no doubt.

22 posted on 04/07/2003 10:41:46 AM PDT by mass55th
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To: Ingtar
More than likely, the Iraqi's shot at the convoy, trying to embroil the Russians in the war. Russia needs to choose it's friends a little more carefully.
23 posted on 04/07/2003 10:43:19 AM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: mad puppy
A few of the ex Warsaw Pact countries that have joined Nato use a version of the Ak-74 that is chambered for the 5.56x45 round. I have noticed that some of the AKs that have been pictured are from former Warsaw pact countries.
24 posted on 04/07/2003 10:44:53 AM PDT by Kadric
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To: Mister Magoo
Could it have been a subtle message?
25 posted on 04/07/2003 10:45:33 AM PDT by Enemy Of The State (When in Rome do as the Romans but when in America, speak English damn it or go back home!)
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To: Mister Magoo
Like it was unfair...I mean they were moving.....
26 posted on 04/07/2003 11:08:37 AM PDT by jmq
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To: Johnny Gage
Johnny Gage wrote:

The Russian "Ambassador" was quoted later saying: "How can vee be expected to deleever our meessles, rifles and ammunition to Saddam's Army if the Amerikans are shooting at us like that."

I know Comrade! Is been Bad Time ever since Moose and Sqvuirrel got away.....

Tia

29 posted on 04/07/2003 12:02:08 PM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: Ingtar
Excellent point! .... there would have been no survivors
Russia should have had troops there to protect their people! They WERE Invited!!!!
30 posted on 04/07/2003 12:04:45 PM PDT by buffyt (Can you say President Hillary, Mistress of Darkness? Me Neither!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Mister Magoo; *war_list; W.O.T.
OFFICIAL BUMP(TOPIC)LIST
31 posted on 04/07/2003 2:25:01 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Where is Saddam? and where is Tom Daschle?)
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To: Mister Magoo
I don't believe this for a second -- the worst injury is a broken index finger? No one would have lived to tell the tale if this were a U.S. attack.
32 posted on 04/07/2003 2:28:48 PM PDT by scott7278 (Peace had it's chance, now it's bombs away!)
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To: shadowman99

Very Prophetic, Shadowman!


33 posted on 10/27/2004 8:33:07 PM PDT by bear11
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