Declassified Iraqi War Crimes

DOD Office of General Counsel ^ | November 19, 1992 | Department of Defense

[Calpernia]

I opted to leave this as a PDF. Some of the material is disturbing.

[Calpernia]

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[GATOR NAVY]

Bump for later (can't read pdf at home)

[Jalapeno]

I'm afraid the one for this war will be much longer.

[Calpernia]

Actually, the list of War Crimes Iraqis have committed against Americans is longer than that already. This is just one that has been declassified.

[Colorado Doug]

Bump for later

[happygrl]

Yes, some of this is horrific.

One of the crimes referenced is the death of 120 Kuwaiti babies, removed from incubators which were taken to Iraq.

I thought that this had been debunked as propaganda. This was cited in testimony before Congress by an "eye-witness" who was later shown to be the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador to the U.S. It is my understanding that this part of her testimony was determined to be not true. Any responses ?

[Calpernia]

This was just declassified. Can't prove something without evidence and you deny what is classified. I also noticed in that pdf that the cia has video footage of some of this stuff.

[watchin]

Okay, so why weren't they tried and hanged for this stuff? These animals put some effort into inventing new atrocities.

[Anamensis]

Okay, I read through it. This ought to amp up our nightmares for a week or two. Must say, never heard of the eat-your-own-flesh approach to torture and murder. I'll keep it in mind if that idiot down the street runs over any more of my cats. Cost me $1000 to fix the last one.

[Calpernia]

Yes, that one you cited did a number on my appetite.

(btw, I've found neighbors that don't like cats sing a different tune when they find rodents on their property)

[Anamensis]

Hmmm... rats are cheap at the pet store.... ;^)

[Anamensis]

Here's where I got the PDF to download. It's about 15 pages long but the info I mentioned specifically is, I think, on page 9.

[A_perfect_lady]

Here it is, the declassified documents are on PDF which must be downloaded. I think it's about 25 pages.

[piasa]

The so-called debunkers used the testimony of a Palestinian doctor who they SAY was a guest worker in Kuwait during the Iraqi occupation. (But didn't prove he was nor did they get sworn testimony from him.) The problem with a palestinian guest worker as their great debunker is that many palestinian guest workers in Kuwait acted as cheerful collaborators with the Iraqis during the occupation.

The debunker's "doctor" left Kuwait for some reason AFTER the war, which is odd since that's precisely when he would be most needed in Kuwait. I suspect, but can't prove, that he may have left Kuwait- if her was ever really there- because he had collaborated and was no longer welcome. He left for some reason... and the debunkers didn't bother to inquire why, nor did they seem to apply the same standards of suspicion to him as they applied to the witnesses to atrocities.

And in light of Iraq's bribery to get good press from journalists and so forth, I'm more suspicious of the debunkers.

They also tried to discredit the witness by claiming she said she saw more than she actually testified to (she had said she saw ONE case as I recall, and had heard other nurses say they had seen such incidents, too). The debunkers claim she said she witnessed hundreds but that's not what she said.

And the debunkers tried to discredit the witness with the old "guilt by association" argument - saying that since she was related to an important Kuwaiti diplomat her testimony was going to be false. But the witness's testimony was sworn; the debunker's quoted testimony was not, merely scraped off the palestinian street.

The debunkers have shown their dishonesty by trying to imply that ALL testimony from hundreds of witnesses to various acts was false based on their attempt to debunk one person's testimony. Even if one witness could be proven to be untruthful, it does not imply that everyone was, but you can't tell the debunker crowd that. They haven't been sucessful at debunking any others nor have they really tried. They focused on the one person instead, professing to believe that the incubator tale was the #1 thing which made people pro-war. It wasn't, of course, but they think it was significant. Perhaps it was just the atrocity which was easiest to target, given that the victims can't show their wounds once they're buried, and people who had had their kneecaps drilled through could. The debunkers wouldn't want to challenge a witness with the scars, of course. Of these there were many.

[MEG33]

I read it..it's verified. I could not handle reading to the end.I have heard it all before but it's always upsetting.Evil.

[MEG33]

No,not all..but most,enough,too much.

[backhoe]

For those who wish to read it in html, cut & paste this address:

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20030320/iraqicrimes.pdf

Here:

http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/access_simple_form.html

This is Adobe's online pdf reader.

[Calpernia]

Is that an option at the Adobe site? Or does one need the full blown Adobe package to convert a PDF to an online hmtl form?.

(and thanks for doing that)

[backhoe]

The way it's supposed to work, you copy the addy of the pdf to your clipboard, go to that site & paste it in the box, and it views it as an html file online... however, all it did for me was show me the index page- it wouldn't go anywhere else! Funny, I have used it before.

Adobe does offer a free download of a viewer-only, and it works well, but it's a slow download on a dialup like mine.

[Calpernia]

That is a good tip though. Thanks. I was actually going to transcribe it to the site for the post. But after I read it....I couldn't. And since some of the material was so disturbing....I opted to leave it as a PDF with a warning.