[Jhoffa_]

I see no reason for us to be involved in the UN.

But, if we pull out there's the possibility that others will rush to fill the power vacuum.. It could wind up as a large scale version of the ICC with a standing army, given time.

Feelings aside (as I hate the UN completely) Is it beneficial to pull out now, lose our veto on the Security Council and allow someone else (or possibly a group of "someone else’s") to fill this power vacuum and further mold the UN to their liking?

What would the ramifications of such an act be 5 or 10 years from now? What will the others do in our absence?

Threat assessment anyone?

[Poohbah]

Threat assessment:

The UN is VERY unlikely to develop a standing army. If it does, it is unlikely to pose a threat to US interests.

If it poses a threat to US interests, we will simply brush it aside with a minimum of fuss.

Guerilla warfare would not be applicable in such a situation--because, when you get down to it, no one is willing to die for that stupid blue flag and Kofi Annan.

[UCFRoadWarrior]

Hmm...this is the only good argument for staying in the UN...that we still have our veto in the Security Council. This has been mentioned by Bob Dornan and others

Though....would the UN work to remove our veto? And, they ignored Iraq and Saddam for so long...whats to stop them from ignoring any US veto?

Its time to get out of the UN. The UN and its members have no power or will to stop the US anyway. The US exit from the UN would make totally un-credible even more.

What I would like to see....is legislation that will allow the US to try internationals for war crimes against the US...tried in US courts, not the ICC or other World Courts