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Peggy Noonan: We Can Take It: The benefits of the long haul.
Opinion Journal ^ | 3/31/3 | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 03/30/2003 9:04:25 PM PST by WaveThatFlag

Edited on 04/23/2004 12:05:26 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Unanticipated good can come from misfortune. When the war began 11 days ago, on that Thursday morning that began with the big bunker blaster hit on the famous target of opportunity, it seemed possible, if only for 48 hours, that this just might be an easy war. What surprise and relief. There were reports that Saddam Hussein might be dead or injured, and the Iraqi command seemed in chaos.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: enemywithin; gallup; iraqifreedom; noonan; peggynoonan; peggynoonanlist; pollsoniraq; richgalen
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Rock on Peggy...
1 posted on 03/30/2003 9:04:25 PM PST by WaveThatFlag
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To: Pokey78
Ping
2 posted on 03/30/2003 9:05:46 PM PST by WaveThatFlag
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To: WaveThatFlag; Allan; Mitchell; Badabing Badaboom
What is happening now in Iraq is what happens when your troops and their leaders do everything possible to limit civilian casualties.

It has nothing to do with sparing civilian casualties. This is a complete myth. During World War II, neither Hitler or Churchill made any effort to spare enemy civilians, and the war still lasted in five years. What it has to do with is not escalating the war to WMD exchange -- the same motif which characterized all our proxy conflicts with the Soviet Union during the Cold War. When your enemy has the power to hurt you really really bad, you make sure you don't piss him off too much too fast. There's nothing very complicated about this concept.

3 posted on 03/30/2003 9:11:31 PM PST by The Great Satan (Revenge, Terror and Extortion: A Guide for the Perplexed)
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To: WaveThatFlag; Howlin; Miss Marple; mombonn; Sabertooth; beckett; BlueAngel; JohnHuang2; ...
Ok, then I'll ping THIS one!
4 posted on 03/30/2003 9:13:41 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: WaveThatFlag
The latest CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll asked: "How would you say the war with Iraq has gone for the U.S. so far: very well, moderately well, moderately badly, or very badly?" As the commentator suggested, 34% said "very well." But what he neglected to say was that 51% said it was going "moderately well." Put together, fully EIGHTY-FIVE PERCENT of those polled had a favorable view toward the conduct of the war.

This is a classic CNN tactic by the way. You can bet that if Clinton or Gore were president, they would give the choices as very well, moderately well, well and badly. Then they'd add the first three choices together and trumpet the results (this is how they maintained Clinton's approval ratings).

Anyway, Peggy Noonan is a real treasure. Pity that President Bush doesn't use her as a speechwriter.

5 posted on 03/30/2003 9:15:39 PM PST by SamAdams76 (California wine beats French wine in blind taste tests. Boycott French wine.)
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To: WaveThatFlag
RIGHT ON,
PEGGY,
RIGHT ON!

6 posted on 03/30/2003 9:15:56 PM PST by yield 2 the right
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To: The Great Satan
That's why there isn't any war, right?
7 posted on 03/30/2003 9:17:14 PM PST by Interesting Times (Eagles Up! Join the Rally for America...)
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To: Interesting Times
Where are the three thousand missiles that were supposed to be raining down on Baghdad? Whatever happened to them? What happened to "Shock and Awe"?
8 posted on 03/30/2003 9:19:59 PM PST by The Great Satan (Revenge, Terror and Extortion: A Guide for the Perplexed)
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To: WaveThatFlag
Peggy ping!
9 posted on 03/30/2003 9:21:49 PM PST by lainde
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To: The Great Satan
The shock and awe aspect never resonated with me as something new in warfare. Prolly some wannabe's personal attempt at making a name for his special rice bowl and himself.
10 posted on 03/30/2003 9:23:31 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: Pokey78
the leaders of America's military establishment felt they must give the troops the awards and appreciation the American public, still concussed by Vietnam, and American politicians, ever quavering, could not be relied upon to give.

I heard today that Purple Hearts were given to our heroes on the Comfort Ship out at sea. I thought it was both strange and interesting that they didn't wait until they got back, and have a ceremony with the Commander in Chief. Then I read Peggy's words above, and realized why.

Because our military leaders have the forethought to let these men know they are heroes before they are ever spit on at the airport when they come home. God Bless them. The grown-ups ARE in charge.

11 posted on 03/30/2003 9:27:01 PM PST by cgk (the Mrs half)
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To: Fred Mertz
The Iraqis haven't seen shock and awe yet. Of course we don't want to stoop down to the savages level. We're better than that. If that means bearing the white man's burden again, so be it. We never had those kinds of horrors we are now witnessing when colonialism was de rigeur in the world of long ago.
12 posted on 03/30/2003 9:27:22 PM PST by goldstategop
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To: SamAdams76
You can bet that if Clinton or Gore were president, they would give the choices as very well, moderately well, well and badly

There's a basic flaw in this statement. Clinton didn't have the guts to take on Saddam, and Gore wouldn't have had the guts either. There wouldn't have been a poll about the war with them in office, as there wouldn't have been a war.

13 posted on 03/30/2003 9:30:25 PM PST by patriciaruth
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To: cgk
Unless I am mistaken, I don't believe they have ceremonies for Purple Hearts, which are given for any injury during war, whether by enemy fire or accident. I think they usually just mail them out.

Can anyone supply some expertise here

14 posted on 03/30/2003 9:32:58 PM PST by patriciaruth
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To: patriciaruth
Well, I'll have to agree with you there. So consider it a hypothetical situation.
15 posted on 03/30/2003 9:33:12 PM PST by SamAdams76 (California wine beats French wine in blind taste tests. Boycott French wine.)
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To: The Great Satan
You might check but I believe GWB and the boys have done quite a good job "pissing off" Sadammnn.
16 posted on 03/30/2003 9:34:11 PM PST by bybybill (first the public employees, next the fish and, finally, the children)
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To: The Great Satan
It has nothing to do with sparing civilian casualties.

Don't underestimate the necessity of this in order to maintain domestic support for the war. Massive Iraqi civilian casualties would galvanize the antiwar left and would cause many marginal Bush supporters to turn against the war. (This will no longer be true, however, if there is a major terrorist attack against our civilian population.)

17 posted on 03/30/2003 9:37:24 PM PST by Mitchell
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To: The Great Satan
Where are the three thousand missiles that were supposed to be raining down on Baghdad? Whatever happened to them? What happened to "Shock and Awe"?

Nobody said 3,000 missiles would hit Baghdad; that was for the entire country -- and it was bombs and missiles, not just missiles. And If you add up the number of reported sorties over the last 10 days, you get much more that.

But that isn't the point. You claimed loudly and vociferously that we'd never attack Iraq for fear of WMDs. Now you're trying to salvage your obliterated theory by claiming in the face of all available evidence that we really aren't trying all that hard -- as though a crazed dictator would watch 100,000 troops take over half his country and say "Well, they seem to be holding back a bit, so I'll put away the anthrax."

A more honest approach would be to simply admit you were wrong.

18 posted on 03/30/2003 9:39:06 PM PST by Interesting Times (Eagles Up! Join the Rally for America...)
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To: WaveThatFlag
There is one thing that is good about Iraq not being a "cake walk." That has to do with hubris.

I don't believe President Bush would succumb to hubris and risk American lives unnecessarily or threaten war in the future if one was not necessary, but there was an exceptional amount of braggadocio on threads before the war started.

We are not taking out Saddam because he has no power to hurt us. We are taking out Saddam because he has the power to hurt us, and because has been hurting us and would continue to find ways to hurt us worse if he weren't disposed of.

We are having the war now, not because we thought the casualties would be light, but because we believed they would have been a lot worse if we had waited.

Americans will feel the price of this war. And that is "good" only in the sense that it will mean that we will not commit to war in the near future for reasons of hubris. We will know the price, and judge whether the reason is sufficient to pay the price. And maybe people watching will know that they are not watching a football match or playing a video game, but that real and precious people are dying. And we will come to know that it wasn't just our military might that got us through, but the mercy of God.

I am still praying that the price isn't extraordinarily high, as it still may well be. When WMD are involved, no war can assumed to be a cake walk.

19 posted on 03/30/2003 9:48:00 PM PST by patriciaruth
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hatever happened to them? What happened to "Shock and WAwe"?

I would imagine it looks a LOT like 'Shock and Awe' if you live in a Baghdad neighborhood that's near a Govt. Building or Military installation. Fortunately, I believe they trust that the US will not blow up their houses. What damage Iraqi anti-aircraft missles do when they come down is another story.

20 posted on 03/30/2003 9:52:08 PM PST by SuziQ
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