WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON? [Neocon / Paleocon respones to Frum's "Unpatriotic Conservatives"]

nro ^ | MAR. 22, 2003 | David Frum et al

[Maedhros]

IMHO, the last email in the article is truly sickening.

Original thread: Unpatriotic Conservatives

Freeper: "The mongoloid looking freak that wrote the article ought to be shot in the head."

[Arkinsaw]

I'm a conservative.

[Dog Gone]

pingie

[Maedhros]

lol, I should clarify: "Which side are you on?" is not my question; it's Frum's title. ;)

[Catspaw]

“No one cares about the labels anymore, no one cares about the smears.We want our nation back, and we will have it.It doesn't belong to you and it never has. So call me what you like, for I know what you are- Jew.”

Absolutely vile. And also contradictory: if "no one" cares about labels anymore" why was it necessary to call Frum "Jew?"

Then again, who said anti-semites were rational, logical or even coherent.

[KantianBurke]

well since I don't hate JOOOOOOOOOOWS and I'm not much of a fan of trade policies that were in place during the Andrew Jackson era I think that pretty much narrows things down for me.

[Maedhros]

I think the guy was trying to say that he doesn't care about being labled a paleocon, but in hindsight he comes off looking like an idiot.

[Jhoffa_]

What side am I on?

Personally, I think the whole Neo - Paleo this is a false dilema.

I don't want to re-build the Roman Empire, I have no interest in that at all. Globalism bores me. So, I'm not a Neo.

I support our allies the Jews, as long as they are in the right. In this case, I believe they are so the Paleo's wouldn't have me either.

I am a Social Conservative, a Christian Conservative to be specific and find myself at odds with both of these groups frequently.

Thank you very much.

[Question_Assumptions]

The extreme libertarian idea that all property should be held in private hands is about as workable as the communist idea that all property should be held in public hands. And the two, together, make for some great excluded middle arguments.

[mr.pink]

Mr. Frum seems to become more adolesecent by the day.

[Jhoffa_]

You're Mr Pink?

Hey, I always wondered.. There were more guy's than guns aimed in that warehouse.

Did you fire the extra shot and make off with the diamonds?

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Whenever these articles pop up, I happily think of the purple faces and sweaty, vein popped foreheads on those evil men who are hissing German expletives at their computer terminals....

[sheltonmac]

The number of emails I’ve received about my article on antiwar conservatives has just crossed the 350 mark. Of those, fewer than 10 have been negative.

Could the lack of negative responses be due to the fact that REAL conservatives no longer read National Review or care what its writers have to say?

[Captain Kirk]

Frum loads the dice with that one nutty letter (so typical). BTW, Novak was born a Jew and Gottfried is a Jew. This doesn't prevent Frum, of course, from smearing them as part of a vast right wing conspiracy of racists and antisemites.

[Catspaw]

You forgot about the strained sinews in the neck, the clenched jaws and ground down molars.

[Diddle E. Squat]

What a stupid time to have this debate.

[Catspaw]

You've got Jews on the brain.

[GOPcapitalist]

IMHO, the last email in the article is truly sickening.

That it is, and intentionally so. Why else do you think Frum decided to include it in his defense?

The entire basis of Frum's argument in the original article was a label of anti-semitism. To establish that label, he carefully selected a small list of blatantly anti-semitic assertions by a fringer nut or two from the "American Rennaissance" crowd. He then identified a well known mainstream conservative writer, Robert Novak, plus some lesser known ones and proceded to paint them all with the label of anti-semitism by drawing an association between them and the fringers under the name of the "paleos."

His entire argument was an exercise in guilt-by-association fraud. As Novak noted in his response to Frum, he neither knows nor associates with those exact same fringers who Frum quoted in order to establish his label of "anti-semitism." In short, Frum fabricated it to facilitate his discrediting.

Perhaps most telling of this whole charade is an examination of several people Frum targetted with his label campaign. Novak is ethnically Jewish. Paul Gottfried, who Frum also targets, is a Jew. And most of LRC, a website that Frum paints with his wide brush of anti-semitism, practically worship the political philosophy of two Jewish economists - Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard.

Returning to that email, Frum's purpose in posting it is clear. It effectively allows him to claim "see, I told you so" in defense of his argument, but such a claim is itself fraudulent. That email could have come from, and likely did come from, your average run-of-the-mill nutcase anti-semite kook out there. Those types of people do exist and they like to email conspiracy rants with all sorts of nutty ideas to any given email address they come upon while travelling the web. To pretend that the reciept of an email from some nutcase out there is vindication for the smear article from NR is just another an exercise in fraud by Frum.

[Captain Kirk]

Well Novak "doesn't fit" either. He is a free trader and pro-immigration...but that doesn't stop Frum from smearing him. Having said that, according to David Frum, because you and Novak oppose empire, you are both members of an anti-semetic and racist cabal.

[Captain Kirk]

What the hell are you talk about?