[HairOfTheDog]

I am not supporting bleeding borders or trying to divert the issue. I am trying to get you to tell us what you want us to do!

I responded to 249, it wasn't your post. It offered a picture that was daunting. Which of the pieces of that wall did you want in our world? - the starving attack dogs, the land mines or the guards every twenty yards for our whole long land borders? - I don't think it was written as a road map of what would be practical here. I could protect my yard that way, Berlin could protect a city, but 22,000 miles of it?

The trouble is, you can't decide if illegal Mexicans are your biggest gripe or terrorists. Separate and argue them seperately and you mind win me over. Illegals are a financial, not security, issue.

And the "arrest the president" "blood on his hands" shouting is hysterical and sounds right out of DU. You may have good ideas. But your message is trapped behind words that are distracting. If you think everyone is diverting the issue into "Bush Bashing" and "Racism" perhaps look at your own words to see why.

[Black Agnes]

Illegals are a financial, not security, issue.

Herein lies the rub. Each and every dollar spent on illegals could be spent on making us more secure. Not only that, but all the hospitals in SoCal that are currently overcrowded and closing will make it easier to launch a biological attack. Illegals aren't the bullet that will kill us most likely. They are the parasite that will make it more likely that any particular bullet we do get is worse...much worse than it might have been. Just depends on your particular bullet. Any sort of biological attack will be magnified beyond belief in the overcrowded conditions in the colonias on the border. Any sort of biological attack will be difficult to diagnose if most of the hospitals in a particular area have had to close because their only 'customers' were illegals who didn't pay...YMMV

[FITZ]

Illegals are a financial, not security, issue.

Actually it's not just illegals. Our lack of any kind of security along the border could involve illegals, they know the easy quick ways into the country where no one is checking what they bring over. It is also just as much the legals ---those who are given the electronic swipe cards that makes entering the US as easy and quick as it is to enter a typical parking lot. Legals are rarely checked coming over the border ---in times of high security less then one out of ten (about 6%) of trucks get checked and less automobiles.

Much of the border traffic is completely frivolous ---people coming over to bring their kids to school in the US so they don't have to pay books and supplies like they would in Mexico, people wanting to work in the US but live in Mexico where they pay no property taxes so they get to keep more of their wages than they would if they lived here, people wanting to come over and shop for a couple hours. Nothing has been done to discourage the frivolous border traffic and many of those entry places of the illegals are widely known.

[FairOpinion]

"And the "arrest the president" "blood on his hands" shouting is hysterical and sounds right out of DU."
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BINGO.
When it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

Anyone who is bothered by the border security issue and illegal immigration, as most of us are, would bring that up as an ISSUE, instead of USING that issue to attck President Bush when we are at war, and fighting terrorism, and say the most vicious, ludicrous things about President Bush.

I think there are anti-Bush DU types even on FR, despite of the best efforts of the Moderators. Just as there are sleepers in the US, there are "DU sleepers" here, who rear their ugly hateful heads occasionally. They are foaming at the mouth, because the Iraq war is a success (may it continue to be so), and are running out of issues, on which to attack the President.