DRUDGE JUST ANNOUNCED TERROR ATTACKS PLANNED ON PEARL HARBOR; GERTZ TO BE ON AIR SOON

DRUDGE RADIO ^ | 03/01/03 | DRUDGE

[RaceBannon]

DRUDGE JUST ANNOUNCED TERROR ALERT ON PEARL HARBOR; GERTZ TO BE ON AIR SOON

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

I'm much more worried about a foreign carrier being hijacked or blown up as it comes into America than any other airliner hijacking scenario.

Roger that.

[xm177e2]

"In his sleep"

What a great euphemism...

[xm177e2]

This whole plan sounds audacious, even for Al Qaeda. The attack would likely be for symbolism, rather than mass casualties. Or, to say "we can hit even the carriers of your most powerful weapons".

The question is not "how can we defeat America and win the war" but, as those treasonous rappers Paris have written on their CD cover art, "who is able to make war with the beast?" Al Qaeda will settle for merely engaging us, they know they can't win, they're hoping for divine intervention or an immanentized apocalypse or whatnot.

[KaiserofKrunch]

Bill Gertz is the Washington Times defense correspondent. The best in America.

[El Gato]

Actually, a sub moves slower under water than above water (since the resistance of the denser H2O acts as more significant drag than a partially-submerged sub experiences),

That turn out not to be the case. Modern submarines, especially nuclear powered ones, are designed to be at the their best underwater, not on the surface as were WW-II and earlier subs. The factors you've left out are wave drag and turbulent flow. The water pretty well slips around a submerged sub, although there is the 3 dimensional equivalent of a wake, it's just doesn't cause as much drag as the surface wake does. There is very little, if any turbulent flow around a sub while it's submerged, save around the propeller(s) when they are not "sparing the neutrons".

I don't think the earlier poster really meant they could go faster than an aircraft, but rather they could submerge quickly and hide from anything not equiped with depth charges, hedgehogs or torpedoes, and even from some of those. They could easily submerge given only a few minutes of warning, or while the plane goes around for another pass.

[Mike Darancette]

In port, not much of the sub sticks out above the water, they are not a big target.

In dry dock or the Boomer Submarine Pens they could be hit.

The Nuclear Balistic missiles and power plants could cause a lot of trouble if breeched.

This story has a ring of truth and plausability to it.

[dark_lord]

Of course, NIKKI - "PSYCHIC TO THE STARS prediction 21. TERRORIST ATTACK - MANILLA, HONOLULU, HAWAII

[Defiant]

John Lovitz.

[Erasmus]

Ranja Remi.

[snerdly]

Al Sharpton

[dark_lord]

When submerged, a nuke as described above, can outrun ANY surface ship

Except for hydrofoils.

[Pan_Yans Wife]

I didn't think there were Boomers at Pearl Harbor... Bremerton, WA, and Kings Bay, GA, yes. Drydocks, all over the place, of course.

[Pan_Yans Wife]

Good point. Why did the alert go down, if an attack was imminent?

[Intolerant in NJ]

...Pearl Harbor...kinda ironic - nothing was considered enough of a "smoking gun" to make us go on the offensive against those we eventually fought in WWII until Pearl Harbor - maybe another attack there would finally convince some of the doubters that we are indeed already up against another "axis of evil"....

[TLBSHOW]

Looks like this isn't going to happen.

[KaiserofKrunch]

If Drudge knows about it so does the navy. If those idiots can hit a U.S. nuclear sub 1000ft under water with a 707, I'll give 'em a gold star! They'll have to, because Pearl will be emptied real fast!

[varina davis]

The Gertz article said that senior officials had learned about this specfic threat in the last two weeks, yet the level of threat went down from severe to elevated. Make sense to anyone?

Maybe because they knew they had Mohammed already cornered?

[Spyder]

The reality is that civilian airliners fly right past the harbor's inlet every few minutes.

I hear you, but I'm not sure it's as vulnerable as you imply. If they were taking off from HNL they'd have to take control of the plane almost immediately, and if they were taking over one of the interisland ones, even an international one, the minute the tower lost contact I would imagine some jets from Hickam would be out and about. True, Maui's only a 20-minute flight, but they still have to get landing clearance at HNL, right?

[Spyder]

Supposedly we're still at "blue" while the mainland is back to yellow. Still, the security level on post has been higher (Bravo) since a few days after the mainland went to orange.

[El Gato]

Take your average, stationary nuclear power plant for example.

If anything, they are sturdier than the submarine. Yes the sub is designed to take alot of pressure from the water, but and has a good lot of steel in it. However a powerplant has a lot of steel too, and a big, very thick, reinforced concrete containment structure too. They were all designed to take having an airliner, at least a 707 size and in latter designs a 747 size, fly into it.

Still, I agree, flying into a sub, or trying to, strikes me as pretty stupid. A carrier with a full load of JP-5 would seem a more spectacular target, but they are designed to take a licking and keep on ticking. Some of the anti-ship cruise missles that the former Soviets built had some might big warheads and those were the threat many of today's carriers were designed against. However, none of those are homeported at Pearl Harbor these days but they may put in their for R&R on occasion. But then again many of the Jihadies don't seem to be brightest figs from the tree, so whatever they might hallucinate about doesn't surprise me.