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To: pabianice
I consider myself somewhat of a Star Trek fan, mainly of the original series and a little of Next Gen. (Anybody else remember the '70's Saturday morning animated Trek? That was cool!) Guess I'm dating myself here...

Trek has had some great moments, but I long ago grew tired of TNG's blandness and repetition. Years after I abandoned it, I'd occasionally tune in to see how it was. It was ALWAYS, ALWAYS yet another lame episode based on a holodeck malfunction, or a mysterious planet covered in lava and noxious gases, EXCEPT for this one teeny little spot which - voila! - was inhabited by 20th-century humans. Puh-LEASE! That stuff works once, not fifty times.

Around that time (mid-late '90s), I'd seen bits and pieces of this then little known series called Babylon 5. What I saw was very very good, but I realized the underlying story was extremely deep, far-reaching, and complex. The ONLY way to watch it is from the very start, so I borrowed some tapes and did so. In a word: AWESOME! Complex storylines, terrifying alien races, characters with flaws, unpredictable and sometimes tragic outcomes, blood, guts, a**-kicking action - it's all there. I even read once that that B5 had raised the bar so much that the Trek writers were forced to take notice and act, since Trek's blandness was a stark contrast to the depth and fast pace of B5. (I never bothered to check if Trek improved; by this time I was forever spoiled!) If you have not seen B5, and want to do so, I say again: Begin with the very first episode, and watch it all in order. Questions raised in the first season or two are sometimes not answered until the fourth or fifth, so be patient. However, it's worth the wait, and one helluva ride along the way. It just gets better as you go, too.

By the way, the series was written as a 5-season arc, with a beginning, middle, and end. Sadly, it is no more. However, SciFi runs the series on weekday mornings, and it is about to start over from season 1, episode 1, beginning March 31.

The best source of Babylon 5 info is here.

55 posted on 02/25/2003 11:53:52 AM PST by gbunch (Can I push the "Hellfire" button on the Predator console? PLEASE?)
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To: gbunch
Well said.
117 posted on 02/25/2003 12:26:08 PM PST by ValenB4
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To: gbunch
well, they have just started B5 releasing collector edition DVDs of the series, in letterbox, for a reasonable price.
So I can retire my well-worn VHS commercial-ridden TVscreen-format tapes...
The joy, the JOY!
165 posted on 02/25/2003 1:21:44 PM PST by demosthenes the elder (slime will never cease to be slime... why must that be explained to anyone?)
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To: gbunch; Liberal Classic; ValenB4; demosthenes the elder

Thank, gbunch. I used to like Star Trek, and bought a ton of books, but the Babylon 5 is so much better.

For those who does not know, Babylon 5 was created by J. Michael Straczynski. This is one of the best quality SF I had pleasure to read and watch. The list of books here: http://worldsofjms.com/store/b5fiction.htm

From the political point of view, to connect the Babylon 5 and FreeRepublic universe:

 

1. Actor Jerry Doyle (played Michael Garibaldi on Babylon 5) had an unsuccessful run for the U.S House of Representatives for California’s 24th District in 2000 (GOP). Here is his positions on the issues: http://www.doyleforcongress.com/issues.html

 

2.

from the website http://www.isnnews.net/

ISN NEWS: THE ZOCALO TODAY
Line - Gray
ISN News: The Zocalo Today

 

from the section JMS speaks:  http://www.isnnews.net/zocalo/jms.shtml

 

 

Things You Don't Expect To Hear

November 25, 2002
Here is a little tidbit I found interesting -- and amusing -- from the B5 moderated newsgroup:

So I was talking to Doug Netter [produsser] this afternoon, who had in turn spoken with Bruce Boxleitner [actor playing Captain John Sheridan] earlier in the day about the year 2 DVD. In the course of that conversation, Bruce mentioned something that Doug in turn mentioned to me.

To wit:

Bruce had been at the White House about a month ago, in the company of wife Melissa Gilbert, president of the Screen Actors Guild, for a discussion with some of the functionaries there concerning acting roles moving north of the Canadian border.

As they're talking, in a long conference room, in the middle of the meeting the door oens and Karl Rove -- main strategist for the Republican Party and power behind the White House throne -- comes in. He says (paraphrased from memory) to Melissa, "I hope you'll forgive me, but I actually here to see Bruce."

He then tells Bruce, "I just wanted to tell you that I'm a big science fiction fan, and that Babylon 5 is the best science fiction television series *ever*."

Then there's a pause, and he adds....

"And the President thinks so too."

Upon hearing this, I went to lie down for a spell, but I fully expect to be back on my feet by Spring, latest.

Jms

 

3.  It is loooong, please forgive me:

September 11, 2002

 

A number of people, who were not able to get hold of ASM36, asked if I could repost the text of that issue in commemoration of the anniversary since it's pretty much unavailable now. With some modifications to make the statement more general, the text follows. It may be freely posted anywhere it may do some good.

jms

 

We interrupt our regularly scheduled program to bring you the following special bulletin.
Longitude: 74 degrees, 0 minutes, 23 seconds West.
Latitude: 40 degrees, 42 minutes, 51 seconds North.
Follow the sound of sirens.
 
Some things are beyond words.
Beyond comprehension.
Beyond forgiveness.
The questions come:
 
How could you let this happen?
Why didn't you know this was coming?
 
How do you say we didn't know? We couldn't know.
We couldn't imagine.
Only madmen could contain the thought, execute the act, fly the planes.
Even those we thought our enemies are moved. Because some things surpass rivalries and borders.
Because the story of humanity is written not in towers but in tears.
In the common coin of blood and bone.
In the voice that speaks within even the worst of us, and says: This is not right.
 
Also here are those who face fire without fear or armor.
Those who step into the darkness without assurances of ever walking out again,
because they know there are others waiting in the dark.
Awaiting salvation.
Awaiting word.
Awaiting justice.
 
Ordinary men.
Ordinary women.
Made extraordinary by acts of compassion.
And courage.
And terrible sacrifice.
 
We've voted, and we're going to try to take the plane.
It's the only way to stop them hitting Washington.
I love you.
 
Ordinary men.
Ordinary women.
Refusing to surrender.
 
Ordinary men.
Ordinary women.
Refusing to accept the self-serving proclamations of holy warriors of every
stripe, who announce that somehow we had this coming.

...probably what we deserve....
All of them who have tried to secularize America...the pagans and the abortionists
and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians and the ACLU....
I point the finger in their face and I say, "You helped this happen."
 
-- it is God's will that America should fall through their iniquity and their sin --
 
We reject them both in the knowledge that our tragedy is greater than the sum
of our transgressions.
 
Bodies in freefall on the evening news.
Madness in mosques, shouting down fourteen centuries of earnest prayers,
forgetting the lessons of crusades past:
That the most harmed are the least deserving.
 
There are no words.
There are no words.
 
The death of innocents and the death of innocence.
Rage compounded upon rage. Rage enough to blot out the sun.
And the air still filled with questions.
 
Is it going to happen again?
What do I tell my children?
Why did this happen?
 
What do we tell the children?
Do we tell them the evil is a foreign face?
 
No. The evil is the thought behind the face, and it can look just like yours.
 
Do we tell them evil is tangible, with defined borders and names and geometries
and destinies?
 
No. They will have nightmares enough.
 
Perhaps we tell them that we are sorry.
Sorry that we were not able to deliver unto them the world we wished them to have.
That our eagerness to shout is not the equal of our willingness to listen.
That the burdens of distant people are the responsibility of all men and women
of conscience, or their burdens will one day become our tragedy.
 
Or perhaps we simply tell them that we love them, and that we will protect
them. That we would give our lives for theirs and do it gladly, so great is
the burden of our love.
 
In a universe of Gameboys and VCRs, it is, perhaps, an insubstantial gift. But
it is the only one that will wash away the tears and knit the wounds and make
the world a sane place to live in.
 
We could not see it coming. No one could. We could not stop it. No one could.
But we are still here. With you.
Today. Tomorrow. And the day after.
 
We live in each blow you strike for infinite justice, but always in the hope of infinite wisdom.
 
Because we live as well in the quiet turning of your considered conscience.
The voice that says all wars have innocents.
The voice that says you are a kind and a merciful people.
The voice that says do not do as they do, or the war is lost before it is even begun.
 
Do not let that knowledge be washed away in blood.
 
When you move, we will move with you. Where you go, we will go with you.
Where you are, we are in you.
 
Because the future belongs to ordinary men and ordinary women, and that future
must be built free of such acts as these, must be fought for and renewed like
fresh water.
 
Because a message must be sent to those who mistake compassion for weakness. A
message sent across six thousand years of recorded blood and struggle.
 
And the message is this:
 
Whatever our history, whatever the root of our surnames, we remain a good and
decent people, and we do not bow down and we do not give up.
 
The fire of the human spirit cannot be quenched by bomb blasts or body counts.
 
Cannot be intimidated forever into silence or drowned by tears.
 
We have endured worse before; we will bear this burden and all that come after,
because that's what ordinary men and women do. We persevere.
 
No matter what.
This has not weakened us.
It has only made us stronger.
 
In recent years we as a people have been tribalized and factionalized by a
thousand casual unkindnesses.
 
But in this we are one.
 
Flags sprout in uncommon places, the ground made fertile by tears and shared resolve.
 
We have become one in our grief.
We are now one in our determination.
One as we recover.
One as we rebuild.
 
You wanted to send a message, and in so doing you awakened us from our self involvement.
 
Message received.
 
Look for your reply in the thunder.
 
In such days as these are heroes born. The true heroes of the twenty-first century.
You, the human being singular.
You, who are nobler than you know and stronger than you think.
You, the heroes of this moment chosen out of history.
 
We stand blinded by the light of your unbroken will. Before that light, no darkness can prevail.
 
They knocked down two tall towers. In their memory, draft a covenant with your
conscience, that we will create a world in which such things need not occur.
 
A world which will not require apologies to children, but also a world whose
roads are not paved with the husks of their inalienable rights.
 
They knocked down two tall towers. Graft now their echo onto your spine.
Become girders and glass, stone and steel, so that when the world sees you, it
sees them.
 
And stand tall.
 
Stand tall.
 
Stand tall.
 
J. Michael Straczynski
 
This message is copyright © 2000 by Synthetic Worlds.

183 posted on 02/25/2003 1:49:50 PM PST by Tolik
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To: gbunch
The second, third, and some of the fourth season of B5 comprised the best SF ever put on television. Some of ST:TOS are almost as good. Some of DS9 are real, real close to as good. The rest of ST isn't even close.
239 posted on 02/25/2003 4:32:42 PM PST by Charlotte Corday
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