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To: pabianice
I got tired of the franchise long ago. Just too much propaganda and not enough entertainment. Too much "tolerance" and not enough action, at one point the plotlines were hilarious, like "will little Worf get along with his classmates at Klingon Kindergarden". Feh.

If I were to try to develop something to save the franchise, I would take a whole different spin on the series, do something more episodic and less central to one crew. How about a "Starfleet Chronicles" show that has a different cast and crew on a different ship every week? Maybe have some overlap between crews from previous episodes? This way you could have a storyline where the ending is that all hope is lost and the ship is blown to smithereens. Subsequent episodes could show people reacting to that reality as they deal with their own perils. Not everything always gets solved. Sometimes people make heroic sacrifices and disappear forever. None of this crappy "time loop" or "cloned characters" bulls#!t that drags the whole series down to kiddy comic land.

The current paridigm has no real conflict or peril because we know the central characters will always survive and everything ends happily ever after. The first episode of a "Starfleet Chronicles" that stars a ship and crew, and then ends with said ship being blown to flinders and killing everyone on board will show that this isn't your parents Star Trek.
16 posted on 02/25/2003 11:30:41 AM PST by Billy_bob_bob ("He who will not reason is a bigot;He who cannot is a fool;He who dares not is a slave." W. Drummond)
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Great Idea!

Enterprise would do well to remember that there is a major conflict with the Romulans approaching. They could easily follow that concept and have a series of episodes centered around different crews in the conflict with each episode centering only on that crew and their experiences.
27 posted on 02/25/2003 11:40:30 AM PST by Bogey78O (check it out... http://freepers.zill.net/users/bogey78o_fr/puppet.swf)
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Enterprise has a good premise. They were supposed to return to the pioneering days of interstellar spaceflight where nobody had ever heard of the "Prime Directive". They were supposed to be dark, ruthless, brutal explorers who lied, cheated or stole to get every technological advantage that they could. The ship was to be a "military" craft that was crude but functional (and armed).

The writers seem to have forgotten that this show is a prequel. They want to transplant starfleet's later morality back into a more savage time. They need to totally abandon this political correctness, morality and politics ideology and write more to the period.

IMHO what they need is new blood, and it needs to be Klingon blood. They need to give the Klingons their own show. It could show fighting between the ruling families, colonial ambitions, and conquest. There would be extortion, exploitation, death, honor and edged weapons. It could still have its moral issues, but all would not to be so tidy in their resolution. The Klingon's coming of age would be far more interesting than Starfleet's.

130 posted on 02/25/2003 12:37:21 PM PST by FreeInWV
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To: Billy_bob_bob
hrmn... the idea has merit.
152 posted on 02/25/2003 1:04:50 PM PST by demosthenes the elder (slime will never cease to be slime... why must that be explained to anyone?)
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To: Billy_bob_bob
I got tired of the franchise long ago. Just too much propaganda and not enough entertainment. Too much "tolerance"

Same here. Star Trek sucks bigtime. Farscape and (Stargate) SG-1 offer a lot of bang. Star Trek is run by a bunch of liberal propagandists pushing their crud in every story. "We can't fire on them, Captain, we need to understand why they hate us so much!". "Okay, Tripp, just nick their defense shield a bit and ask them what supplies we can give them to make them like us better, and then we'll scoot."

Also, no continuity in the plotlines and story. If this took place a hundred years before Kirk's time, why the collective amnesia about Vulcans, time-travel, and the more-advanced gear than Kirk had?

213 posted on 02/25/2003 2:55:56 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Billy_bob_bob
"will little Worf get along with his classmates at Klingon Kindergarden?"

ROFL! Yeah, that whole Worf Jr. thing was stupid. Did you ever see the episode where Worf and Troi got busy?

That one left me a little sickened yet curious. Did I just say that out loud?

338 posted on 02/27/2003 4:20:48 PM PST by GunRunner
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