Did you guys and gals read any B5 books? I liked them a lot. See amazon.com
My favorite is Techno-Mage trilogy by Jeanne Cavelos: 
Posted on 02/25/2003 11:14:23 AM PST by pabianice
Did you guys and gals read any B5 books? I liked them a lot. See amazon.com
My favorite is Techno-Mage trilogy by Jeanne Cavelos:
# 1 Since there is no prime directive, act like it. If a pushy race comes along, looking for conflict, give it to them.
They're doing some of that already, as in the last episode.
#2 Give us an enemy that is diabolical, mean and just plain bad ass. One that will not be defeated with a shield adjustment or some new gizmo that solves every problem.
Agreed. It's the use of technobabble to secure victory that kills 9/10th of the drama in Trek.
#3 If I have to watch one more episode where they go throught he whole "shields are down to 10 % Captain" I am gonna SCREAM. Get a new way to add suspense!
Did you see "Minefield" per chance?
#4 Gimme more of that hot Vulcan bootie. Sure I am a sexist pig? So what? Who do you think your audience is anyway?
Look, I've got the hormones of the next guy, but if you're going to complain about the writing of Trek being so fanboyish, stop acting like a fanboy.
#5 Weapons, I want weapons. The existing Phase Cannons are OK, but only for a start. I could never imagine sending a ship on a mission such as this without being armed to the teeth.
I'm actually happy with the Enterprise NX being so outgunned--it's a nice change of pace from the Federation always having the biggest gun (especially in Voyager). Of course, we want to see Starfleet ramp up its weapons program pretty quickly, but this is a good starting point.
#6 If we have technology today that can do certain things, I would expect them to be much improved in the future.
True, but given that the computers that we will be able to build in thirty years will make those in NextGen look like dinosaurs in comparison, they're walking a tightrope in establishing the right tech level.
#7 Who is the Chef? I have been waiting since the first episode to meet him/her/it. Since the Chef is mentioned in nearly every episode, we need to know who or what it is. Be BOLD.
The Chef thing is a running gag, not carelessness. I rather like never seeing him, but hearing all about him. :^)
#8 I like the idea that the Transporters are very iffy. Too often in the past, it was a crutch that bailed the writers out by simply "beaming" them out of trouble. It is nice to see them have to think of new ideas.
Amen.
#9 Trip is one of your best assetts, use him. He is a Texan (well Oklahoman anyway) a straight shooter and is the "everyman" we always look for in a Star Trek show. Highlight him and his straightforward approach every time Archer goes wobbly.
Agreed, Traineer is the best actor on the show besides Billingsly (Phlox).
And finally...
#10 Fighting, Conflict and Battles. Deep down, we all know it is a savage world out there. Space would only be worse. PLEASE no more Aids PC episodes where we get beaten over the head trying to make some PC point. Real men are NOT PC.
Now if we could just convince Hollywood of that . . .
Seriously, they've been doing a lot more battle scenes than NextGen ever conceived of (thanks to Roddenberry). The AIDS thing was stupid, I agree, but I think they more than made up for it with trapping the Enterprise between the Suliban and the Tholians last week. Archer was completely outgunned and still refused to turn over the TARDIS-thing before he could plant a bomb in it. He was positively Kirkian. :^)
Yours in Truth,
Nonsense. The post-Space Shuttle Enterprise shown during Decker's guided tour with Ilia on the Rec Deck ("All of these ships were named 'Enterprise'") in ST The Motionless Picture certainly didn't look 1950-ish. And it was only a poorly-seen silhouette in one fleeting scene - you could slap all the bells, whistles, and gimcrackery you wanted to on the basic outline. This was cleverly done in the otherwise horrible movie version of "Lost in Space" - you see the familiar saucer shape of the Jupiter II being launched from Earth, then *BANG* - the shell separates to reveal a cool-looking ship inside.
You just have to pretend that the original Trek did, in fact, look like it took place in the 23rd century. Oh yeah, and Klingons ALWAYS had big forheads. Ya gotta deal with it.
The viewing public apparently agrees with me - they're staying away in droves if the Neilsens for this excrescence are any indication.
And a show explaining how the Klingons got the lobsterheads would be fun. Do a story arc dealing with the "genetic experiment gone awry" that Worf alluded to in STTNG.
OK, I'll pull in my geek horns now ...
I consider the animated series to be canon. Live with it.
Who says I'm enjoying it? I've seen two episodes - that's all I could stand to watch.
For the Canon folks: It hasn't fallen prey to too many "violations", indeed it has merely fleshed out some things that were unexplained.
It has blown canon in more ways than there are stars in the heavens. We certainly didn't start really exploring space in a Cadillac like that - I think of the first Enterprise as a dorky-looking Chevy Vega or Peugeot, prone to repeated mechanical problems and with limited range. Probably the first one blew up or ran into something within a few months - who knows?
The only continuity error I really acknowledge is that the Imperial Klingons (chocolate mousse heads) are everywhere, whereas the TOS klingons were modified to look human for liaison purposes.
Believe it or not, I have no problem with the lobsterheads. There are a number of ways this could be "explained" in Enterprise, none of which have been done.
From what I understand, Roddenberry had wanted more makeup-enhanced Imperial-types, but there was no budget for it before the movies. Based on that, I think the continuity may be even BETTER on 'Enterprise'.
I remember hearing him speak at a con in which he said just that. But, Rick (spit) Berman could have at least given even the most perfunctory nod to the genius of William W. Theiss and the others who worked on the series, doing incredible work for the time with a budget of essentially nothing.
IMHO, if you go in to just watch the show without a frigging chip on your shoulder, you might enjoy it more.
The chip (a tree stump in my case) is there for a reason. The show is crap, wrong, and wrong-headed.
For myself, that was easy: I stopped watching ST about halfway thorough DS9, and almost gag when I see Ms. Columbo on the bridge of Voyager.
Voyager indeed sucked the big bag, which makes this continued "suckery" so hard for me to accept. And the common factor between STTNG, DS9, Voyager, and this latest disgrace is - you guessed it, Rick (spit) Berman.
It was really difficult to watch the spectrum of responses roll by so bitterly.
Sorry that you felt personally threatened by my opinion and that of others. But its difficult for me to accept this crock of night soil as "real" Star Trek. I simply can't look at a chunk of fecal material lying in the street and say that it smells like roses.
Yup. It also screwed up the "crap" "good movie" "crap" good movie" ... order.
To be completely honest, I stole the "gamut of emotions" line from Gertrude Stein (I think) ... ;)
I do however stand by my statement earlier. The ship setting out to "Go where no man has gone before" would be armed to the teeth. We have weapons now that are the equivalent of what is on here, it just seems ridiculous to me.
It seems that the producers have given the show a sort of collective amnesia about technology as it exists TODAY. For peets sake, we have spy satellites that can look obliquely at a location for a clear look at thing now, today. Everyone knows this. Why would they not take such seemingly simple steps?
And lastly. The whole Vulcan bootie thing…
That’s easy.
I like hot looking babes. This isn’t Opera, or High Art.
It’s entertainment
I like the fact that they are able to show a little skin once in awhile, especially if it looks like THAT !
Cheers,
knews hound
Do read B5 books if you liked the show. They are all well coordinated (much better then Star Trek).
Great idea. But I would have Anthony Hopkins cripple him and put him in a wheelchair, then have Julianne Moore roll the chair into a pit of hungry targs. Slowly.
The Star Trek franchise could learn a lot from "Babylon 5"; to my mind, the finest sci fi series ever made. You had true conflict. You had violence........for space as depicted in these series (Star Trek and B5) is populated by violent races. Political correctness HAS to go. Shake it up. Americans like ballsy heroes; a ballsy crew. Kirk, Spock, McCoy, et al had it. Picard and crew had it. Deep Space Nine hid it until the latter part of its run, nobly salvaging its legacy at the bitter end. Voyager and this latest attempt? Bland. Blah. Not a set of balls among their crews. I'm not trying to be crude; I'm trying to make a point. Let the crew set the precedent for the great Kirk; let this crew establish a legacy that the future Enterprise crews aspire to equal or exceed. So far.........they're just a bunch of folks on a cruise. In fact, one could expect to see more conflict on Carnival Cruise Lines.
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