Posted on 02/25/2003 11:14:23 AM PST by pabianice
My favorite B5 site is the Lurker's Guide to Babylon 5. There you find sysnopses, interviews, plot points, and etc.
-- Kosh
If they brought all the crews back in an alliance to take on Q, and once they finally have him pinned down, discover he's really Wesley, so they feed him to the Gorn, and the Universe is saved.
It was that Crusher kid that drove me away from the series.
They killed Data.
Same here. Star Trek sucks bigtime. Farscape and (Stargate) SG-1 offer a lot of bang. Star Trek is run by a bunch of liberal propagandists pushing their crud in every story. "We can't fire on them, Captain, we need to understand why they hate us so much!". "Okay, Tripp, just nick their defense shield a bit and ask them what supplies we can give them to make them like us better, and then we'll scoot."
Also, no continuity in the plotlines and story. If this took place a hundred years before Kirk's time, why the collective amnesia about Vulcans, time-travel, and the more-advanced gear than Kirk had?
Han Solo .... no way, bring a Darth Vader type HERO onto the bridge and you'll get a good series going.
Point two. Hollywood has no clue what makes a good movie. Directors do; but, Hollywood doesn't. For that reason, anytime anything in hollywood succeeds, they jump on it, repackage it and spin it off twelve times to scrape in all the profit they can suck off a winning idea that they beat into the ground. I'd prefer having ONE star trek show that is good to havin 12 of them that are bland, drab, passe' and utterly predictable. Sometimes it is accutely evident that The franchise knows where it is going, a cliffhanger episode of the Next Generation comes to mind: I still remember vividly and can see Riker's face - his reaction at staring into the view screen somewhat blankly, yet determined and saying "Fire". Two part or not, heller cliffhanger or not, it was good tv- engaging. It challenged you and made you think.
Tv today has enough shallow 'buffy the vampire slayer' shows that are geared to kids and have no depth. As an adult, I don't need to see teenybopper crap, I want Kirk doing a Z+ move up behind Kahn and punching a new decorative hole in Singh's @**! Give me the Columbo story's with the action of Wrath of Kahn. Do the multipart storys that engage us.
SCREW BEING PC. Anyone can be PC. It's a default position for cowards that can't hack it in a world of ideas and competition. Life is gritty. Space is Gritty. And we can be kind and realistic without pandering to Panty wastes! If you're going to give us a good script, it's gone the minute you start playing pc games. The rest is gone the minute we start dumbing down the relationships for shallow teens. Enterprise this far is fairly good. I like the cast overall, though having a hard time still with the captain, the actor is good. I've heard differing opinions, I think he should stay.
Wanna see the ratings climb? Bring wesley crusher into the past for a visit and let the captain accidently blow him out an airlock. Every true trek fan will applaud and probably watch that sequence inumerable times. Wesley was written badly and no one likes the character.
Seriously, think about it. The Borg, Squire Trelaine, Q, Khan, and a little piece of the action. Great stuff, One can't consistently produce that quality; but, the old series produced enough of it to stand on it's own for how many years in syndication.. Star trek isn't a show based on formulas. It's an alternate reality based on believeable technology and good scripts that engage the mind. It's at times Android dreams and others Columbo in a jumpsuit. It's a bit of the Warrior and a bit of the negotiator. It's the parody to some point "Ah, we've come in peace (behind the hand) shoot to kill, men." And it's knowing the difference between doing what's right and what regulations dictate. Want some good Trekking - Stir up a particularly nasty problem that is impossible to solve and solve it. How else does Worf regain his family honor - and who can forget it!
Paramount should look at what has made Star Trek Bold and strong and fire anyone who attempts to make it wimpy and pc. Period. And I don't think of City on the edge of forever as wimpy, btw. On the other hand when it becomes necessary to blow up the enterprise every other movie, It's rather obvious that the writers have lost their way.
Lord of the Rings is a phenomenon that I went to see because it will only be on the big screen once. It's an epic. And most of us fantasy scifi types blew our money on it. I have to work these things into a schedule, Missing Trek on the screen just means I have to buy the DVD that much Quicker to catch up. Star Trek can go on. It's a matter of whether paramount wants to play the hollywood game with it or keep the Roddenberry vision and be on the edge, believeable, engaging and challenging. Half the voting public is Conservative, but most of the actual public is conservative. Remember that, and it should help as well. Warf having honor means something to us.
Now yer talkin'.
People are tired of Star Trek ships being a bunch of pansies and trying to address 'social issues'
And how. At least when the original series slipped us a morality tale or some commentary on a social issue, it was a social issue with some weight to it. This PC crap began with the Picard character and his incessant "talk the problem away" style of leadership. Well, at least the French will be consistent well into the future. ;-)
The busty vulcan chick is a step in the right direction, but they need a cowboy captain that doesn't take any crap from aliens.
Hey, the first series had the cowboy *and* the hot chicks. Often with their slippers under the same bunk.
Here's a thought: The original show takes place several decades after an interstellar war between Earth and the Romulan Empire. If Paramount is looking for an engaging story line that falls before the original series, it's right there under their noses.
To get back to the topic of this thread for a second though, I think the only thing that could save StarTrek would be to shift forward in time past Picard and crew and have a new menace that kicks the federation's ass and forces them to fight for those lofty ideals they go on about without having the fab facilities to build a new starship every time a captain decides to destroy it. The worst thing about the federation is that they have nothing really to strive against. This is they prime reason they are so bland.
"Forgive me, Mr. President, but they hate us with every fiber of their existance. We love freedom, we love independence, to feel, to question, to resist oppression. To them, it's an alien way of existing they will never accept." – [Lorne Greene]
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