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From Excitement to Horror: Columbia's Last Flight Online (New York Times)
New York Times and Free Republic.Com | 9 Feb 03 | Tom Kuntz

Posted on 02/09/2003 4:02:34 AM PST by leadpenny

New York Times Week in Review

From Excitement to Horror: Columbia's Last Flight Online

By TOM KUNTZ

The 1937 Hindenburg airship disaster was carried live to a large radio audience. The 1986 space shuttle disaster happened live on network television before millions of stunned viewers. Almost from the beginning, the 9/11 attacks were broadcast live worldwide.

Last weekend's shuttle disaster also unfolded live, but the primary medium was arguably not radio or television. It was the Internet. A small audience of space enthusiasts learned of trouble in real time by tuning in to mission control in Houston via NASA TV's Webcast (also available via satellite dish and some cable providers).

Some of the shuttle trackers in the western United States also kept an eye on the skies, and shared their impressions online. An illustration of their reactions, moving from excitement to confusion to horror, can be found in an online discussion for shuttle buffs on the Free Republic Web site; it was begun by a reader 38 minutes before the Columbia's scheduled 9:16 landing (www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/833885/posts).

The first sign of something wrong comes at 9:05 — at least 11 minutes before The Associated Press moved the first wire-service alert and the TV networks began live coverage (which had the first video of the breakup, shot minutes before).

Excerpts from the online discussion follow. All times are Eastern unless otherwise noted.

The discussion was begun by "leadpenny" at 8:38 a.m.:

Space shuttle Columbia is in a descent for the Kennedy Space Center in Florida and will pass over the San Francisco area around 6:00 a.m. Pacific Time. Route will take the shuttle over Las Vegas, Flagstaff, etc. NASA has still not decided which runway will be used. Landing will be at 9:16 a.m. Eastern.

From leadpenny at 8:42:

I'm watching on NASA TV but I believe you can also watch at nasa.gov. Just north of Hawaii now.

From SamAdams76 at 8:42:

As I write this, the Shuttle should be re-entering the atmosphere of the planet Earth.

From leadpenny to SamAdams76 at 8:44:

We can only hope.

From winodog at 8:53:

I am up and in Vegas. Sounds like I better put some shorts and a T-shirt on and go outside to watch.

From leadpenny to winodog at 8:54:

Just a few minutes away from you.

From leadpenny to winodog at 8:56:

45 miles overhead just to the north of you.

From ken in texas to leadpenny at 8:56:

Supposed to be passing by around 8:03 [C.S.T.] here in Dallas. Getting ready to check it out.

From winodog at 8:57:

Wicked!!!! I was just in time to see it streak across leaving a white trail.

From leadpenny to ken in texas at 8:57:

Hope you have clear skies.

From leadpenny to winodog at 8:58:

Was it glowing at all?

From winodog to leadpenny at 9:00:

It came from just north just like you said. I was out looking already. As soon as I read the time it hits S.F. and touchdown time I knew I better hurry up. That is on the list of cooler things I have ever seen. Thanks!

From leadpenny at 9:01:

15 minutes to touchdown. Heads up north of New Orleans.

From winodog to leadpenny at 9:03:

It wasn't a glow that spread back like a comet but it must have been "on fire" because it was bright and big.

From ken in texas to leadpenny at 9:04:

Perfectly clear . . . what a sight!!!!!

From leadpenny at 9:05:

Little commo [communication] problem right now.

From leadpenny at 9:07:

Still no UHF commo. They gotta have backup.

From leadpenny at 9:08:

Seven minutes to touchdown.

From leadpenny at 9:11:

No commo for the last 11 minutes. Five minutes to touchdown.

From leadpenny at 9:13:

Don't know if anyone is watching NASA TV but it is awfully quiet.

From leadpenny at 9:13:

By now there would have been cameras on the shuttle.

From leadpenny at 9:15:

Don't know about the controllers but my pulse is going up. They are still seeking tracking data. Going to contingency procedures.

From don-o at 9:15:

Contingency procedures.

From leadpenny at 9:15:

Folks we are at touchdown. Something is wrong.

From ken in texas to leadpenny at 9:15:

An unsettling quiet. I hope all is well.

From nicepaco to leadpenny at 9:16:

Hope they find them soon.

From SMEDLEYBUTLER to leadpenny at 9:17:

No radar track either. Hope everything is all right and this is only a technical snafu. Should be visible from the Cape [Canaveral, Fla.] by now.

From leadpenny at 9:17:

Everyone, check the networks.

From 1john2 3and4 to ken in texas at 9:17:

This really happened: got to this thread, clicked on browser to get NASA TV, heard sonic BOOM, Fort Worth (just after 8 a.m.), run outside, MASSIVE contrail leading right into the eastern sun. . . . . . . awesome!

From SamAdams76 to leadpenny at 9:19:

I hope everything turns out okay.

From leadpenny at 9:19:

It should already be down. Nothing!

From don-o to leadpenny at 9:20:

Folks, I fear the worst has happened.

From leadpenny at 9:21:

The Columbia was making four drastic turns over the Western U.S. to dissipate speed. That's the last they heard from it.

From don-o to leadpenny at 9:24:

Anything on TV, besides NASA TV?

From McGruff to leadpenny at 9:24:

This is scary! I was monitoring your thread when MSNBC started having someone on who was saying: "We should have seen it by now. It should be here by now."

From My back yard to McGruff at 9:26:

Prayers going out. Hope they aren't too late.

From leadpenny to McGruff at 9:27:

They should have had cameras on it about 10 minutes out. I fear the worst.

From 1john2 3and4 to My back yard at 9:28:

Prayers

From SMEDLEYBUTLER to leadpenny at 9:29:

Unconfirmed reports of debris discovered in Texas. Looks as though the shuttle has been lost. God bless the crew.

From McGruff to leadpenny at 9:29:

CNN showing video of it breaking up over Dallas! It's gone!

From leadpenny to ken in texas at 9:30:

You may have been the last to see the Columbia.

From 1john2 3and4 to leadpenny at 9:35:

Dear lord . . . what I heard was the EXPLOSION! not a sonic boom.

From leadpenny to 1john2 3and4 at 9:36:

Are you in Texas?

From 1john2 3and4 to leadpenny at 9:40:

Yes . . . Ft. Worth.

From Molly Pitcher to ken in texas at 9:47:

It's said to have broken up over Dallas. Was it intact when you saw it? Or did you see multiple trails?

From ken in texas to Molly Pitcher at 9:53:

At first I was just in awe of the sight. After it passed from view I realized that something just didn't look right. Instead of just one glowing spacecraft it looked as if there were smaller glowing pieces moving off and away from it. In retrospect, I realize that it was breaking apart.

From Molly Pitcher to ken in texas at 10:10:

Okay. Thanks, the fellow in Vegas just ahead of you probably saw it intact then.

From My Favorite Headache to leadpenny, 1:17 p.m.:

This thread needs to be saved as a piece of symbolic history . . . of the last moments of Columbia.

From seamol to leadpenny; don-o; ken in texas; winodog; 1john2 3and4; all, 11:48 p.m.

Thank you for your contribution to history today.


TOPICS: Extended News; Free Republic; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: columbia; columbiatragedy; eyewitnessaccounts; feb12003; fr; freerepublic; historyinthemaking; nasa; newyorktimes; spaceshuttle; sts107
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To: brityank
thanks for the positive comments.
61 posted on 02/09/2003 8:16:38 AM PST by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: leadpenny
Unfortunately, the CSpan replay doesn't show the whole scene to which you are referring. I was watching MSNBC and CNN which showed the whole thing.

The little boy, son of Rick Husband, was wiping his eyes and nose frequently throughout the service. The President is shown, almost nonchalantly, reaching across Mrs. Husband and her daughter, handing his handkerchief to the boy. He uses the handkerchief to wipe his eyes and nose, and hands it back to his mother, who hands it back to the President. Without taking his eyes from the front, he accepts the handkerchief, and puts it back in his pocket.

This was such a typical "Dad" moment. How many parents out there can identity with this action? Child crying = hand over handkerchief = no big deal. This gesture was so warm and caring and automatic. We just don't expect to see our President doing it. It captured the very core of this President. He is a genuine, loving, caring man, who is so completely attuned to what is going on around him. His is US.
62 posted on 02/09/2003 8:53:04 AM PST by baseballmom
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To: leadpenny
i am thankful that Free Republic exists. just....thank you!
63 posted on 02/09/2003 9:05:50 AM PST by 1john2 3and4
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To: leadpenny
Seeing it in this condensed format makes it even more gut wrenching. Because it was 6 AM here in Eureka we were just getting up and it was 6:45 when my wife yelled at me the Shuttle was breaking up and the WFAA video was already up. Clicked on FR and there you were.

Great job Leadpenny and LONG LIVE FREEREPUBLIC...

64 posted on 02/09/2003 9:31:11 AM PST by tubebender (?)
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To: tubebender; 1john2 3and4
And long live our free republic and may God continue to bless America. May the families who lost loved ones and who are just beginning to deal with the pain, find comfort in knowing there are thousands here who mourn with them.
65 posted on 02/09/2003 9:43:00 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny; dighton; general_re
Congratulations to all who put together this historical thread.

Anyone else notice that the Times didn't identify FreeRepublic as a "conservative" news forum? As if they don't know that.
66 posted on 02/09/2003 11:20:44 AM PST by aculeus
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
I think you wrapped it up pretty well... Thanks for the summary.

FreeRepublic.com - The best web site, people, and information exchange available anywhere.

67 posted on 02/09/2003 11:42:01 AM PST by ken in texas
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To: leadpenny
Sunday afternoon bump.
68 posted on 02/09/2003 11:51:28 AM PST by Jael
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To: Budge
I don't think the NYT was a party to that. It was the LAT and WP.
69 posted on 02/09/2003 12:14:55 PM PST by kristinn (HumanShieldAgainstTerrorists@WhiteHouse.US)
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To: leadpenny; All
Great story. Thank you very much.
70 posted on 02/09/2003 12:45:56 PM PST by Jim Robinson (FReepers are the GReatest!)
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To: leadpenny
I appreciate the article as well. It is an example of some of what can be found on FR. There may be some other sky watcher blogs (weblogs) that captured the passing, FR is a large community and by the nature of which threads "bubble up" when someone posts, someone who is in the viewing area but was unaware may be compelled to go outside and watch.

Some other unusual threads from FR are a thread that contains the last contact by a FReeper before he mysteriously died in some kind of fireball/explosion in his home. His wife survived. The final post was minutes before his death. There is a continuing thread on the mystery.

There was also a FReeper who compiled some information that he found on an environmentalist website and compared it to an unsolved murder of a police officer and located the culprit (who confessed his deed on the environmental activist weblog).

Some threads go off the deep end in conspiracy theories and arm chair quarterbacking but there are concrete details that seem to originate on FR and no place else.

With regards to the thread on the final voyage, I forwarded it to my brother and a former NASA engineer who is still interested in space. I'm sure that I wasn't the only one to pass along that testiment to the crew. It is possible that it arrived in the author's mailbox in a series of forwarded email connections. Whatever the means, it is appreciated.

71 posted on 02/09/2003 12:55:53 PM PST by weegee
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To: leadpenny
Would this be in the paper copy of the NYT?

It is. I went out and bought a Times just to clip the article. It's on page 7 of Week In Review / Op Ed and takes up nearly 1/2 page, with not one word about FR's politics. Amazing . . .
72 posted on 02/09/2003 1:09:44 PM PST by Bars4Bill
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To: dennisw
I can handle the verbatim cut and paste from FR (with attribution). The NY Times allowance of FR to reproduce full articles (unlike the LA Times, Washington P*st, or Chicago Tribue) is what makes FR such an interesting commentary site. The bulk of FR's content is the commentary (and many people don't even appear to read all of the full articles before posting away) but it is good to have the original articles for reference.
73 posted on 02/09/2003 1:21:42 PM PST by weegee
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To: Bars4Bill; leadpenny
I broke down and spent the $3.75 per copy for the Sunday NY Times. The article is tucked away on a page filled with ads, but it is nicely laid out.

It's become a part of a sad day in our nation's history.

74 posted on 02/09/2003 1:22:59 PM PST by kristinn (HumanShieldAgainstTerrorists@WhiteHouse.US)
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To: cgbg
17 years ago when I started surfing Usenet newsgroups, they were really good. Many people who were knowledgable in their fields posted, traffic was moderate, and there was no SPAM (commercial advertising was limited to the sales/trade groups).

Even then some readers scoped out to exclude any posts from a university account so they didn't have to read the ramblings of an uninformed college student (who was slow to learn the "rules" and ettiquite of the internet).

FR is a much better forum for news and political discussion. Those who disgree with Jim's and the admins' policies on posting are free to go to Usenet and post whatever floats their boat. The discussions on FR are largely civil all though some can get out of hand on occassion. The track record is much better than on Usenet where even apolitical newsgroups will receive anti-war propaganda posts and even such uncontroversial newsgroups as a Beatles or Who fan group will errupt into flame wars every week.

There is riffraff that seeks to disrupt FR threads. A successful DUsrupter will change the subject of a thread within the first 10 posts and "become" the subject himself. He may get banned (and his comments deleted) but by then, his job is done.

Even some threads between conservatives and libertarians (or social conservatives and fiscal conservatives) can become pecking parties where buddies are PINGed to join the scrap; no one answering questions, just getting digs in where they find them.

75 posted on 02/09/2003 1:34:31 PM PST by weegee
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To: SeeRushToldU_So
There is also a "live" running thread from the crash of the first plane into the WTC through the later incidents of the day.

World Trade Center

One FReeper was across the street as the events transpired. Man on the street direct to the audience with no filter. The alphabet networks always seem to be compromised by Howard Stern's cult (who eventually will give up the game by yelling "Baba Booey" or "Stern Rules") yet FR has been safe from these hoaxters on the breaking threads.

76 posted on 02/09/2003 1:42:41 PM PST by weegee
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To: weegee
How did you connect to the usenet in 1986? Did you dial up a university you were associated with? BTW I've seen google now has usenet posts as far back as 1988. Maybe more.
77 posted on 02/09/2003 1:44:17 PM PST by dennisw ( http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php)
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell; Jim Robinson
I get most of my news via FR, have for around five or six years, and could not imagine being without it anymore. God bless Jim Robinson for this site, and also God bless all the wonderful and interesting FReepers who make this site so rich in information and lively discussion. The best site on the Web, bar none, as far as I'm concerned.
78 posted on 02/09/2003 1:49:24 PM PST by Wolfstar
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To: leadpenny; Orange1998
Here's the details on the upcoming Houston FReep (it will also proceed in other cities):

Operation Infinite FReep - Nation Wide Saturday, February 15, 2003

79 posted on 02/09/2003 1:51:37 PM PST by weegee
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To: southernnorthcarolina
The national media is hopeless. It really is. They just can't compete with a phenomenon like FR for rapid news, free-flowing discussion and interesting analysis, all in real time as events unfold.
80 posted on 02/09/2003 1:55:52 PM PST by Wolfstar
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