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Tobacco is legal and pot demonized: go figure
Winnipeg Sun (Canada) ^ | February 5, 2003 | Lyn Cockburn

Posted on 02/05/2003 12:11:42 PM PST by MrLeRoy

Our mayor, our premier, the opposition, restaurant and casino owners, the non-smokers and the smokers-rights types, they're all locked in a battle to the death over who gets to smoke -- cigarettes that is -- and who doesn't.

Glen Murray to date won't let himself be pinned down on a citywide ban, ditto Doer on a provincewide ban.

Restaurants that have bars attached continue to allow smoking while bar owners have nightmares at the thought that someday soon their establishments might have to go cold turkey.

Meanwhile, booze is legal, cigarette smoking is legal and marijuana is not. There's something wrong with this picture.

I've smoked cigarettes, toked and I've drunk. A lot.

In fact, for a few years I smoked enough weed to keep several pushers in business. Thankfully, I got the stuff from friends and didn't have to pay street price.

And for more years than I like to admit, I drank tsunamis of booze.

I quit both. Weed because I had a couple of uncomfortable trips that I didn't enjoy. And it was simply time to quit.

Booze because it was controlling me instead of the other way around. It was long past the time I should have quit.

Of the two, booze was far more damaging. No, I did not wake up in any gutters, lose any jobs, get into any fights or wreck any hotel rooms. What I did do was lose a part of myself in the bottle.

And then there's cigarettes. I quit them, too. Quitting smoking dope was nothing; quitting drinking did require some effort, but quitting cigarettes was torture.

Yet, we legally sell booze of all kinds and cigarettes of all kinds but when it comes to marijuana, we get all weird.

Evidently, there's something morally wrong with lighting up a doobie as opposed to lighting up a cigarette or downing a beer.

Rot.

There's nothing morally wrong with any of them. What's wrong with booze is that, taken to excess, it imperils our relationships, our self-esteem, our employment and, eventually, our very souls. We become slaves to it. It takes over our lives -- and, often, our livers. And there comes a time when we do wake up in a gutter somewhere.

Used properly, booze is healthy. A glass or two of wine is good for the heart; a beer on a hot day is a wonderful thing and getting drunk occasionally can be a lot of fun. It is continual excess that is damaging. And for some of us, one beer or one glass of wine leads to that very excess.

There's nothing morally wrong with smoking cigarettes, either. Smoking is not a sin. Trouble is that tobacco is addictive -- in a much more demanding way than booze. It is an addiction that reaches out and grabs its victims by the throat -- and the lungs -- leaving them gasping for respite. And it gives none. Few are the smokers who can have a couple of cigarettes a day. Most people are up to at least a pack a day in no time at all. When I quit I was doing three packs a day. What's the difference between that and doing a little coke -- metaphorically speaking?

And there's nothing wrong with smoking dope. You will not experience a bolt of lightning from heaven if you indulge in the weed. Smoking dope does not lead to hard drugs anymore than drinking milk leads to whiskey. It does lead to giggling and perhaps a weight gain as a result of serious munchies. Yes, it may lead to memory loss; so does booze. It may lead to a momentary inability to make much sense. And just how much sense does the average person make after 11 beers?

On the other hand, with marijuana, if you smoke up, you will usually do so in the company of other like-minded people none of whom will make much sense and all of whom will be laughing about it.

Is marijuana dangerous? Yes, if used to excess. So are chocolate bars.

But marijuana is certainly not more dangerous than either booze or cigarettes. Indeed, the latter causes so many health problems that there is a dreadful irony in the fact tobacco is legal and marijuana is not.

The irony runs even more rampant when we consider that booze is legal and marijuana is not.

Do I have a solution? Sorry. Not in my job description. All I can tell you is that irony is obviously addictive and that quitting smoking is the hardest thing I've ever done in my life.


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To: MrLeRoy
To some of FR what people do at home does violate their rights. I have had people on FR tell me what my wife and I do at home in our bedroom violates their rights.

Go figure.
41 posted on 02/05/2003 1:25:36 PM PST by Karsus ((TrueFacts=GOOD, GoodFacts=BAD))
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To: 4Freedom
While it might be shocking for you to hear this, people LIE on surveys if they think others might think less of them if they told the truth.

While only a small percentage of the population admits to watching porn it is a huge business because a lot of people buy it.

42 posted on 02/05/2003 1:27:52 PM PST by Karsus ((TrueFacts=GOOD, GoodFacts=BAD))
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To: I Love Bush!!!
Is eating a hamburger with butter on it immoral??

No, but it sure ain't KOSHER!

43 posted on 02/05/2003 1:28:02 PM PST by JimRed
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To: Karsus
They lied to the pollsters? Yeah, sure.
44 posted on 02/05/2003 1:31:08 PM PST by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: 4Freedom
People lie to pollsters all the time.
45 posted on 02/05/2003 1:32:03 PM PST by Karsus ((TrueFacts=GOOD, GoodFacts=BAD))
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To: 4Freedom
If MJ bothers you so much, why aren't you out working on getting beer/wine/strong drink banned? It harms a lot more people than MJ.
46 posted on 02/05/2003 1:32:53 PM PST by Karsus ((TrueFacts=GOOD, GoodFacts=BAD))
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To: Karsus
In other words, 'Pot is demonized, so alcohol and tobacco should be demonized: Go figure?' Is this what you're saying?
48 posted on 02/05/2003 1:46:15 PM PST by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: I Love Bush!!!; Karsus
Alright, what percentage of the population is a bunch of lying potheads, IYOs? If it's more than 5%, what is it?
49 posted on 02/05/2003 1:49:27 PM PST by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: cinFLA
"relaxing marijuana prohibitions could affect the incidence of hard drug use by diminishing the stigma of drug use generally"

Pure speculation. And probably wrong, since there's already a legal mind altering drug: alcohol.

"marijuana itself can be a serious problem for those who become dependent on it."

Irrelevant to the falsity of the 'gateway theory.' (And even more true of alcohol.)

50 posted on 02/05/2003 1:50:02 PM PST by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: MrLeRoy
What's wrong with booze is that, taken to excess, it imperils our relationships, our self-esteem, our employment and, eventually, our very souls. We become slaves to it. It takes over our lives -- and, often, our livers.
Lack of self control equates to booze having cognizance.
51 posted on 02/05/2003 1:51:05 PM PST by philman_36
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To: 4Freedom
Yes. That is the logical thing to do, is it not?
52 posted on 02/05/2003 1:52:22 PM PST by Karsus ((TrueFacts=GOOD, GoodFacts=BAD))
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To: 4Freedom
How can you claim the measures taken against marijuana use aren't successful when only 5% of the population admits to using pot regularly (once a month or more)?

That's an unprecedented success.

Your argument is a textbook case of the logical fallacy of post hoc ergo propter hoc; you invalidly assume that simply because the War On Pot and the 5% useage coincide, the former caused the latter.

53 posted on 02/05/2003 1:52:34 PM PST by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: MrLeRoy
Once again you selectively quote. You give credence to ONLY that which might support you and try to debunk all which hurts you. You are nothing but a socialist, pro-drug propagandist.
54 posted on 02/05/2003 1:55:11 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: MrLeRoy
Anybody wants to recommend booze over POT I suggest you go read the current thread about Teddy Kennedy's remarks on Powell's UN speech

Nah alcohol doesn't adversely affect the brain/body look what it did for Teddy
55 posted on 02/05/2003 1:57:04 PM PST by uncbob
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To: 4Freedom
How can you claim the measures taken against marijuana use aren't successful when only 5% of the population admits to using pot regularly (once a month or more)?

Where are you getting your figures from?

56 posted on 02/05/2003 1:58:43 PM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: MrLeRoy
Why don't you just come out and admit you are for the legalization of all drugs including heroin, cocaine, etc. and drop the "medical marijuana" charade?
57 posted on 02/05/2003 1:59:10 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
Once again you selectively quote.

False---I addressed everything you quoted RAND's Morrall as saying.

You [...] try to debunk all which hurts you.

And I do so successfully, more's the pity for you.

You are nothing but a socialist

That is a lie---typical for a Drug Warrior. (YOU'RE the one who wants to spend $36 billion of taxpayer money on your moralistic crusade.)

58 posted on 02/05/2003 1:59:57 PM PST by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: cinFLA
Why don't you just come out and admit you are for the legalization of all drugs including heroin, cocaine, etc.

When have I ever denied it?

and drop the "medical marijuana" charade?

No "charade"---I think the medical use of any substance should be decided by a doctor and his patient, and I think the recreational use of any substance should be decided by the individual.

59 posted on 02/05/2003 2:02:55 PM PST by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: MrLeRoy
At least you didn't deny you were a pro-drug propagandist. You are free to move to a society that allows you to destroy you mind and body. Do so and leave us in peace.
60 posted on 02/05/2003 2:05:56 PM PST by cinFLA
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