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To: Ichabod Walrus
Mr. Walrus

Your post is full of innuendo and strawmen.

I condemn the actions of the Croatians during the Second World War, and understand the desire of the Croatian Serbs to extricate themselves from an independent Croatia in the early 1990's.

However, they were duped by Slobodan Milosevic, an opportunist of the worst stripe, who willingly sold out the frightened Serbs, after his media under Mitevic fed them incessant propaganda.

Slobo pulled the plug after promising them much.

The Croatian Serbs are true victims, left out to fend for themselves.



Be seeing you,

foreign policy wonk


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37 posted on 02/02/2003 7:02:09 PM PST by foreign policy wonk (Take down the House of Saud!)
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To: foreign policy wonk
I condemn the actions of the Croatians during the Second World War, and understand the desire of the Croatian Serbs to extricate themselves from an independent Croatia in the early 1990's.

I didn't get that sense from your earlier post and am still not sure what you're trying to say above. Either you are satisfied that the Serbs had reasonable grounds for defending themselves against Croat aggression or you don't. Referring to the Serbs as "Croatian Serbs" suggests to me that whatever happened to Serbs either past or present is not sufficient grounds for them to have defended themselves.

However, they were duped by Slobodan Milosevic, an opportunist of the worst stripe, who willingly sold out the frightened Serbs, after his media under Mitevic fed them incessant propaganda.

You blame Milosevic for not supporting the Serbs (whom you call "Croatian Serbs" although they held Yugoslav citizenship - not "Croatian" citizenship). And yet, Serbs were not sold out by Milosevic to the extent they were sold out by Europe, Russia and the US. Milosevic's role doesn't even begin to compare with the complicity of the UN either, which outright recognized Croatia's claim to territories in which Croats were no more than a small minority. While Milosevic did not support the Serbs, the US and NATO most certainly did support their enemies. I hope none of this is too new for you.

Your suggestion that the Serbs, who had witnessed genocide yesterday, and a unapologetic genocidal mentality on the part of their Balkan opponents for 45 years after that, were duped by "propaganda" indicates full well where your sympathies lie.

Don't try to blame Milosevic for not having acted according to one of those revisionist histories of recent Balkan events which are so much the rage in imperialist circles for the past decade. If Milosevic did not behave like the raging Serb nationalist as he is portrayed in those fantasies you probably have read, it is the Serbs' problem, not yours.

38 posted on 02/02/2003 8:05:51 PM PST by Ichabod Walrus (I wonder if somebody will clean up the garbage in 2003?)
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To: foreign policy wonk
You may have your opinions from reading reports, but that is discounted from not being their and seeing the sh1t for real.

Remember this... Serbs fertiled that land for generations, we are there to stay forever. You are there for a paycheck. You will go away shortly, we will remain there forever.

Actually, the brutalizng of the Serbs began in 1986, did you not know that? Serbs were harrassed enroute to school, Ustashe symbols were painted on rooftops. schoolmates attacked their Serbian classmates. Then low and behold, guess what? In 1989, the Croats literally attacked the Serb villagers and chased them out. When the Serbs returned later, do you know what that was called? "Ethnic Cleansing", when the Serbian 1st Eastern Slavonian Special Troops RETURNED TO THE SAME GDDAMNED VILLAGE WE WERE CHASED FROM. Same thing happened to Gorazde, Srebrenica, Foca among the more well-known named villages/cities.

There was never any Croatian Serb, they were Serbs. Tito called them Serbs by shifting the boundaries, thereby referring everyone as "Croatian" Serb, etc... You ever hear of a Serbian "Croatian"? No, as that tag was never important to a state such as Serbia, where there was never any ethnic problems. Exception being the Albanians and radical Muslims who infiltrated the BiH Higher Political Office.

41 posted on 02/02/2003 8:40:23 PM PST by smokegenerator (www.pedalinpeace.org ---- Serbian Cycling Challenge for the Children of Serbia)
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