Bush Asks for $15 Billion to Fight AIDS in Africa (It's unprecedented and will save lives)

reuters ^ | 1/28/2003 | Maggie Fox

[Kevin Curry]

I don't know how to break it to these nuts, but God's law trumps the Constitution (magnificent as it is).

Foreign aid in the name of "compassion"--Christian or otherwise--is a non-starter. Government is in the justice business and it is in the defense business. It is not in the Christian charity business. That is the business of private individuals, and I would encourage you to send your own money directly to AIDS relief entities in Africa if that is your wont.

But Arnefufkin's post identifies appropriate and legitimate (Constitutional) justifications for this kind of aid. That such aid would also alleviate personal suffering is a welcome and fitting additional benefit.

[Kevin Curry]

And Bush won't restore the medical care for USA veterns?

I'm a veteran and all the veterans I know are receiving medical care as needed.

[tpaine]

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[Southflanknorthpawsis]

You ought to spend more time at that link. You need lots and lots of help in that area.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

LOL - oh, paine, my 10 year-old nephew is better at slinging insults than you are. You don't even make sense. So don't waste my time - hurry up and shoot your best shot, k? That couldn't have been it.

[tpaine]

Cut & paste masterpiece, arnie. --
-- DU?

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

Is this your impression of people who are opposed to the spending discussed on this thread?

No. It's my impression of the individual I was addressing. It is also my impression of some of the other people I frequently see trying to "outconservative" one another around here.

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

We be clavin'.

[weikel]

I respond to intelligent comments from intelligent posters.

No your a weird little Canadian anti freeper fag who gets off on attacking people without bothering to refute their points. This ain't gonna save anybody its just going to make a few African thugs richer and even if it did its being wasted on a disease which is by and large brought upon those who get it by their own folly. Not your tax money anyway. Now I could sorta understand pissing away money like this if it were buying votes but helping Africans is not going to win any African-American votes either.

[Chad Fairbanks]

He shot his wad... That's all he has and there aint' no more...

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

I guess that snapshot of "t" (dreadful as it is) has made its way around the block a few times, huh?

Oh, he says he's a dead ringer for "James Bond". So...who wants to be the one to tell him Carroll O'Connor never played Bond?

[Chad Fairbanks]

"...Now I could sorta understand pissing away money like this if it were buying votes..."

And I get called 'liberal'???? If what you said isn't 'liberal', then 'Liberal' has no meaning... <

[tpaine]

Southflanknorthpawsis:
I don't know how to break it to these nuts, but God's law trumps the Constitution (magnificent as it is).

Foreign aid in the name of "compassion"--Christian or otherwise--is a non-starter. Government is in the justice business and it is in the defense business. It is not in the Christian charity business. That is the business of private individuals, and I would encourage you to send your own money directly to AIDS relief entities in Africa if that is your wont.
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Kudos kevin, on an all too rare instance of rationalty in your posts.

Please elaborate on your claim that there are "appropriate and legitimate (Constitutional) justifications for this kind of aid." -- Where are they to be found in the document?

[ArneFufkin]

Kevin, there's nothing unconstitutional about the Federal Government providing foreign aid if the appropriations are authorized through our Constitutionally proscribed process of legislation, executive approval and judicial review.

The problem with American foreign aid is that it is currently being embezzled by institutions and criminals with no fealty to helping the people and societies toward which we target our generosity, and thus there is no ROI in American security and prosperity, or our God-ordained obligation to humanity. Foreign aid, as operated by the UN and the International mobsters, is being used in direct contravention to our interests.

If the AIDS program bypasses these criminal conspiracies, that's a win for humanity and for America's security. A program of this moral priority is untouchable, no despot or corrupt bureaucracy can interfere, and the power of despots and corrupt international bureaucracies will be eroded. That's a win-win.

My rights come from God. I choose which rights and prerogatives that I cede to my political institutions and leaders. If I think foreign aid is a good strategy to enhance my safety and security, and that of my tribe - I'll enable my Reps to use our American process to make it happen. When I think foreign aid is no longer a tool to promote my individual or group benefit, I'll work to yank it through the same process. The Constitution is primarily about the processes, consensus and safeguards to ensure MY individual political priorities have widespread support and wisdom. This AIDS initiative will have overwhelming American support, and if it is designed, funded, judicially reviewed in a Constitutionally legitimate way and executed in a logistically ethical and effective way, it'll be Constitutional on its face. The debate whether the initiative is good policy and maximizes American long-term interest is another debate entirely, and one worth having. There is no inherent Constitutional issue here.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

Okay, I'll do it. It's gonna hurt, but I'll do it. LOL

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

Oh, he says he's a dead ringer for "James Bond". So...who wants to be the one to tell him Carroll O'Connor never played Bond?

ROFL !!!!!! I'd do the honors, but I considering where his head is, I'll pass.

[Chad Fairbanks]

Show us where in the Constitution of the United STates it states that congress cannot authorize this...

Go ahead.. I can wait...

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

considering where his head is, I'll pass.

You always were the smart one. ; )