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Was United Flight 93 shot down on Sept. 11?
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Saturday, January 25, 2003

Posted on 01/25/2003 1:37:56 AM PST by JohnHuang2

Echoing reports made immediately after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, several eyewitnesses claim in a new report by London's Daily Mirror that they saw a "military-type" plane flying around United Airlines Flight 93 when the hijacked passenger jet crashed in rural Pennsylvania -- prompting the unthinkable question of whether the U.S. military shot down the plane.

Although the evident onboard struggle between hijackers and passengers – immortalized by the courageous "Let's roll" call to action by Todd Beamer – became one of the enduring memories of that disastrous day, the actual cause of Flight 93's crash, of the four hijacked jumbo jets, remains the most unclear.

The Mirror report quotes multiple residents in and around Shanksville, Pa., describing the crash as they saw it, several claiming to have seen a second plane - an unmarked military-style jet. According to the report:

The report cites other disturbing evidence at odds with the official scenario that passengers overpowered the four highjackers and forced the plane down, preventing it from crashing into a presumed high-profile intended target like the White House or the Capitol. For instance, the Mirror reports some witnesses' claims that they could see smoke and flames coming out of Flight 93 as it fell, indicating a possible onboard explosion. Far more disturbing is the question of whether a U.S. fighter pilot shot down the jumbo jet to stop its being used as a giant missile, as the other three hijacked planes had been that morning.

Of course, well founded uncertainly as to just what happened to Flight 93 is nothing new. Just three days after the worst terrorist attack in American history, on Sept. 14, 2001, The (Bergen County, N.J.) Record newspaper reported that five eyewitnesses reported seeing a second plane at the Flight 93 crash site.

"In separate interviews," reported the Record, "five residents who live and work less than four miles from the crash site said they saw a second plane flying erratically within minutes of the crash of the Boeing 757 that took off from Newark two hours earlier Tuesday morning."

One of the witnesses early on was Susan Mcelwain. Two others were Dennis Decker and Rick Chaney, who were at work making wooden pallets when they heard an explosion and came running outside to watch a large mushroom cloud spreading over the ridge.

"As soon as we looked up, we saw a mid-sized jet flying low and fast," Decker told the Record. "It appeared to make a loop or part of a circle, and then it turned fast and headed out. " Describing the plane as a Lear-jet type, with engines mounted near the tail and painted white with no identifying markings, Decker said, "If you were here to see it, you'd have no doubt. It was a jet plane, and it had to be flying real close when that 757 went down."

"If I was the FBI," he added, "I'd find out who was driving that plane."

That same day, reported the Record, FBI Special Agent William Crowley said investigators could not rule out that a second plane was nearby during the crash. He later said he had misspoken, dismissing rumors that a U.S. military jet had intercepted the plane before it could strike a target in Washington, D.C.

Although government officials insist there was never any pursuit of Flight 93, they were informed the flight was suspected of having been hijacked at 9:16 am, fully 50 minutes before the plane came down.

The Daily Mirror cites other factors bolstering the case for a possible shootdown of UA Flight 93:

'A horrendous decision'

On the Sept. 16, 2001, edition of NBC's "Meet the Press," Vice President Dick Cheney, being interviewed by Tim Russert, while not addressing Flight 93 specifically, spoke clearly to the administration's clear policy regarding shooting down hijacked jets.

"Vice President Cheney: Well, the -- I suppose the toughest decision was this question of whether or not we would intercept incoming commercial aircraft.

"Russert: And you decided?

"Cheney: We decided to do it. We'd, in effect, put a flying combat air patrol up over the city; F-16s with an AWACS, which is an airborne radar system, and tanker support so they could stay up a long time...

"It doesn't do any good to put up a combat air patrol if you don't give them instructions to act, if, in fact, they feel it's appropriate.

"Russert: So if the United States government became aware that a hijacked commercial airline[r] was destined for the White House or the Capitol, we would take the plane down?

"Cheney: Yes. The president made the decision ... that if the plane would not divert ... as a last resort, our pilots were authorized to take them out. Now, people say, you know, that's a horrendous decision to make. Well, it is. You've got an airplane full of American citizens, civilians, captured by ... terrorists, headed and are you going to, in fact, shoot it down, obviously, and kill all those Americans on board?

"... It's a presidential-level decision, and the president made, I think, exactly the right call in this case, to say, "I wished we'd had combat air patrol up over New York."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: getthetinfoil; herewegoagain; september11; tinfoilalert
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To: JohnHuang2
Knowing who took down Flight 800 might change things. Knowing who took down Flight 93 won't. One flight was doomed, the other wasn't.
21 posted on 01/25/2003 4:17:33 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: E Rocc
I'm personally acquainted with a former coal mining engineer who was on the scene for the excavation. He has an impressive collection of photographs. The black box at the rear end of the plane was found more than 30 feet underground. The front of the plane had disintegrated-- totally consistent with reports that the plane was driven full-speed into the ground. Sorry, tin foilers, but at least this time, the government is telling the truth. Tom Beamer and cohorts were genuine American heros. File this rumor in the bin.
22 posted on 01/25/2003 5:52:36 AM PST by Vigilanteman
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To: Timesink
Sounds to me like the French have infiltarted American Media and are writing revisionist History.
23 posted on 01/25/2003 5:54:26 AM PST by americanbychoice
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To: All
Yep...Leave it to WorldNetDaily to represent the KOOKS of society yet again.

I can't believe these clowns get so much play on Free Republic. They are an embarrassment to conservatives and Republicans.
24 posted on 01/25/2003 5:54:56 AM PST by The South Park Republican
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To: Nick Thimmesch
I think we have a tin foil alert here.........

World Net Daily is one giant tin-foil alert.

25 posted on 01/25/2003 5:57:12 AM PST by Mr. Mojo (The Godfather will be sporting some new jewelry this Sunday)
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To: Nick Thimmesch

26 posted on 01/25/2003 6:03:27 AM PST by Momaw Nadon
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To: Nick Thimmesch
I think we have a tin foil alert here.........

This goes beyond tin foil, it's


27 posted on 01/25/2003 6:07:17 AM PST by ASA Vet
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To: JohnHuang2
Frankly I think the truth is a whole lot more interesting than this stupid rumor mill garbage.

Agreed. Who needs fiction when real life is so shicking?

28 posted on 01/25/2003 6:07:53 AM PST by ChadGore
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To: JohnHuang2
I guess I may have missed some earlier discussions of the "shoot down" theory, but I have been wondering how long it would take before the "tin foil" theorists came along with this one.

No one will ever know, so we will all get to make choices in what we individual want to believe.

I choose in believing it was the heroic action of Mr. Boehmer and his fellow citizens that kept the Islamists from their appointed target.

29 posted on 01/25/2003 6:08:26 AM PST by ImpBill
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To: JohnHuang2
It would be better if it were shot down. At least that shows we did something to fight back. The passengers were dead either way, so whether the government did it is wholly irrelevant, except that it may have saved more lives by having it go down in an empty field. If the President ordered it he was right, but why it would be a secret is beyond me. The fact that it may have been shot down so close to Three Mile Island is the truly creepy part, personally I think that that's where it was headed, but we'll never know.
30 posted on 01/25/2003 6:10:53 AM PST by Theyknow (Three Mile Island, Flight 93)
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To: LadyDoc
In the movie Rashomon, the four people all remember a crime differently (a neutral observer saw it a fifth way, and at the end of the movie, one can understand why all the others remembered it differently because they NEEDED to remember it differently.)

A fellow Akira Kurosawa fan?

31 posted on 01/25/2003 6:25:51 AM PST by Jonah Hex ("I'll put down my club AFTER you put down your club.")
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To: JohnHuang2
When I found it had crashed, I assumed it had been shot down.

And frankly, I think if any one of us were in charge that day, and knew that 3 planes had already been used as bombs, and that the people on that one were doomed already (plenty of phone calls from them saying they'd been hijacked), we'd have made the call to shoot down the plane too.

And then probably had nightmares about the decision for years afterwards.
32 posted on 01/25/2003 6:33:28 AM PST by Amelia (Who's sending missile parts to Iraq?)
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To: Amelia
I think it was crashed as well, but if the Gov did shoot it down, good for them and we were more prepared than I suspected on 911.
33 posted on 01/25/2003 6:41:05 AM PST by Woodman
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To: JohnHuang2
"I heard this real loud noise coming over my head," he told the Mirror. "I looked up and it was Flight 93, barely 50 ft. above me. It was coming down in a 45 degree and rocking from side to side. Then the nose suddenly dipped and it just crashed into the ground. There was this big fireball and then a huge cloud of smoke."

This is either a fabrication or gross exaggeration. If it was "barely 50 ft above" him and coming down at a 45 degree angle, it would have crashed 50ft away from him in a fraction of a second. Hardly enough time to see "rocking" and a sudden dipping of the nose. Toss this eyewitness report in the garbage.

34 posted on 01/25/2003 6:45:16 AM PST by mikegi
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To: mikegi
To say nothing of the fact that this "eyewitness" would not have survived a crash only fifty feet from his location.
35 posted on 01/25/2003 6:49:56 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: Sabretooth
Extreme cold freezes brain cells.
36 posted on 01/25/2003 7:03:11 AM PST by verity
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To: JohnHuang2
Describing the plane as a Lear-jet type, with engines mounted near the tail and painted white with no identifying markings, Decker said, "If you were here to see it, you'd have no doubt.

No Air Force plane looks anything like a Lear. None of them have their engines mounted near the tail. They're not painted white; they're gray (or rarely desert brown). They all have some identifying markings.

Yes, I have no doubt; this guy's full of sh!t.

37 posted on 01/25/2003 7:16:15 AM PST by Bob
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To: verity
I stoped reading when she said "I reckon" that was enought for me!
38 posted on 01/25/2003 7:17:44 AM PST by angcat
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To: JohnHuang2
If it did, so be it, it was the right decision. If it didn't, so be it, brave men fought to the death so that other American's wouldn't die.
39 posted on 01/25/2003 7:20:32 AM PST by Doc Savage
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To: Nick Thimmesch
I think we have a tin foil alert here.........

I think we have the kind of thread that DU just loves to use to denigrate Free Republic.

40 posted on 01/25/2003 7:22:40 AM PST by ErnBatavia ((Bumperootus!))
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