Westerfield's Lie Detector Test

KOGO AM radio | 01/11/02 | Hildy

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[bigfootbob]

I agree especially if you are innocent. The WOD has changed the way the police function.

[go star go]

You flunk it by lying. If you hurt someone in your family and answer "yes" then you pass. They asked him if he had anything to do with the disappearance of the girl, he answered no and the machine said he lied.

[Hildy]

Obviously. But when asked if you ever hurt anyone in your family, he answered no. STUPID. But he was so willing to talk about his personal life with this total stranger who was out to get him. Everyone ought to know that the guy doing the lie detector test is out to get you. That's the way it appears.

[go star go]

It doesn't matter if he's out to get you. The machine measures lying. Don't lie and you'd do fine. Personally, I would never take one because it's pointless. The results are not admissible in court. The police need to learn how to investigate crimes so let them investigate. They don't need me taking a test for them to find the murderer, they need to get out there and find the murderer.

[Hildy]

I sort of agree, but if you're innocent, your first response would be to take a lie detector test, but I could see how they might trip you up by the way they asked the questions. Hey, up until I heard this recording I thought like you, but I just didn't like what I heard.

[go star go]

They cannot make you lie. That's a decision taken of free will. When you do the machine flags it. They could care less if he hurt his family but when he lied about the girl he screwed himself. If you didn't do the crime they are investigating you've got it made. If you did then you had damn well better not take the test.

[ethical]

You are on target. NEVER take a lie detector test. They are nothing more than hocus pocus, the outcome determined by the person giving it. They have no credibility whatsoever and yet their phony "science" has been presented as fact, so much so that failing one is akin to be accussed of being a child molestor.

[ethical]

The machine measures lying. Don't lie and you'd do fine.

The machine does not measure lying. My gosh. I can not believe how gullible people are. In fact tell the truth and you are MORE likely to be judged a liar by the "machine" on the other hand if you lie good you are more likely to "pass". Either way the machine DOES NOT MEASURE LYING. It measures heart rate, blood pressure and breaths.

[go star go]

Actually it measures galvanic skin responses which signify lying...

[ethical]

The machine does not flag a lie. The machine flags blood pressure, heart rate and breaths. There is no way on earth to tie heart rate, blood pressure and breaths to truth or lie. The "lie detector machine" is simply a tool for interrogation. It only "works" however, if people believe it works, if they don't look behind the curtain to see it is a bunch of balony. NEVER take one if you want the truth to have a chance of coming out.

[go star go]

No it doesn't. The machine measures the resistance of the passage of electrical current through you skin which is called the galvanic response.

[ethical]

How do skin responses prove someone is lying? What a bunch of hogwash! There is absolutely nothing that proves a nervous, sweaty, high blood pressure kind of guy is lying.

[go star go]

That's the reason they ask you questions that have nothing to do with the crime in question. To adjust for fat, lazy, sweaty guys health issues.

[fire_eye]

Well, not to worry... I read an article somewhere recently where some researcher says he can now tell whether or not someone is lying by the patterns of their brain waves, without needing to establish a "baseline" pattern of truth/falsehood (which is how a lie detector works (assuming they work).

So now the Gubmint will be able to just point their self-approved "Truth-a-tron" at you and then claim whatever they want (supported by "expert testimony", of course...)

By the way... How can a lie detector which depends on being able to establish a baseline pattern, as I mention above, produce any result at all with a Lieberal? I mean, they lie about *everything*... so...

[ethical]

Like it or not there is no "Wonder Woman" lasso of truth (the guy who invented her also invented the lie detector, as a PR stunt I believe). We simply have to go with our gut, do we believe the guy or not. The machines can be used to assist in interrogation but I would never play that game with them. Far too often the guy who is going to determine if the machine said if you were lying or not is a nerd with a wounded ego whos in to power tripping.

[go star go]

The machine prints out your responses as you go. The examiner does not draw your responses himself. Anybody can look at your printout and see where you lied. The examiner cannot fake that.

[Dianna]

They don't need me taking a test for them to find the murderer, they need to get out there and find the murderer.

I would take one immediately if it were regarding my children or a family member who has been killed or was missing. I would want to be cleared ASAP so that they could move on.

[flynhghr]

I'm reminded of part of a lie detector test in the Simpsons.
Moe Syzlac "I don't deserve this kind of shabby treatment."
Lie detector "BUZZZZZZZZZZZ"