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To: VRW Conspirator
It's not so much his America-hating rhetoric, like: "Guns don't kill people, Americans kill people." It's not so much his cockamie "solutions" to social problems like unemployment - everyone knows that plenty of countries have enacted the policies he's calling for and the social problems he's crowing about have intensified there.

What drives me nuts is the out-and-out lying. When he says that NYC had 2,100 murders and then we passed gun laws and they disappeared - HE'S LYING THROUGH HIS TEETH. The gun laws in NYC in 1991, when 2,100 people were murdered and the gun laws in 2000, when 600 people were murdered WERE IDENTICAL.

Only one thing changed - the "law-and-order" government of Rudy Giuliani took over from the Michael Mooresque administration of the useless David Dinkins.

4 posted on 11/25/2002 9:49:20 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
Oops. Within a minute of each other. You said it better, though.
6 posted on 11/25/2002 9:51:18 AM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: wideawake
When I moved to New York City a decade ago, there were 2,100 murders that year. New York then enacted very strong gun laws. You cannot really buy a gun in New York City. Last year there were 600 and some murders, down from 2,100.

He's noy lying through hsi teeth, Pataki did pass some harsh gun laws when he first came in, however, to date, they have not been enforced. Rudy came in, and started to crack down hard on crime, Pataki came in, and brought back the death penalty. Even though New York still to date has not executed anyone, the police have stated its become a brilliant tool to use as a threat in interrogations, allowing for better pleas, more information. Cases where they would have had to go to court in a trial for 15 year manslaughter cases, are now plead down to that. I don't think Rudy did it by himself, I will give credit to Tom Bratton, but to also Pataki. Under Cuomo and Dinkins crime just exploded, especially with Dinkin's anti-cop attitude.

44 posted on 11/25/2002 12:17:41 PM PST by Sonny M
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