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Michael Moore Unplugged (Barf Alert or Laugh Alert?)
AlterNet.org ^ | November 20, 2002 | By Michael Moore, Donahue

Posted on 11/25/2002 9:31:12 AM PST by VRW Conspirator

At the hometown premiere for Michael Moore's new movie, "Bowling for Columbine", Phil Donahue spoke to Michael in front of a live audience in Showcase Cinema West movie theater in Flint, Michigan. The film has already received an incredible response. It was the first documentary ever accepted at Cannes Film Festival in 46 years, it received a 13-minute standing ovation from the audience in Cannes, and was unanimously awarded the Cannes 55th anniversary Jury Prize award. Moore's past work, "Roger and Me", became the highest grossing documentary of all time. He is also the author of two "New York Times" bestselling books, "Downsize This" and "Stupid White Men." Below are some of Moore's thoughts on the gun culture in America.

On Columbine:

I think like most Americans, I was very affected by Columbine the day it happened. And in the weeks after it, I started thinking about how this issue has affected me all my life. It's the country I live in, the violence and everything. I thought, you know, we should really do something about this. So I just got my friends together and we were making our TV show. We approached this Canadian production company to see if they'd give us money. And they gave the money and we were off making the movie.

On American Gun Culture:

Ultimately, getting rid of the guns will be the answer. I think if we got rid of all our guns in the U.S., we would still have the psyche problem: the problem that says we have a right to resolve our disputes through violence. That's what separates us from these other countries.

All those countries [with low gun deaths in a year] have all banned the death penalty. They believe it's immoral to execute other human beings. There are so many other things you could go through and point out, about how they structure their societies.

I mean, think about Japan, first of all. One hundred and twenty million people, 39 gun murders a year. That's almost unfathomable to us. I mean, we can't even imagine; that would be like us having 89 gun murders a year in the entire country.

But they work it out differently. You know, the Canadians, they believe that if you get sick, you should have the right to a doctor. They believe if you lose your job, you have a right to get help.

If you were poor in Canada, or in these other countries, the majority of the country wants to embrace you. They want to help you. What we want to do is, we want to beat up on the poor.

We want to say, you're poor? We're going to make you suffer even more. And I think that that leads to a lot of violence, especially in our inner cities, because you've got these state acts of what I call state-sponsored terrorism and violence against our own people.

On Gun Law:

When I moved to New York City a decade ago, there were 2,100 murders that year. New York then enacted very strong gun laws. You cannot really buy a gun in New York City. Last year there were 600 and some murders, down from 2,100. This will reduce a lot of it. But it's not the full solution.

And that's why I agree with the NRA in part, when they say guns don't kill people, people kill people. Because it really is the people.

I'd like to say guns don't kill people, Americans kill people. Because I think that's what's really at the core of this.

And we need ask ourselves, why do we, as Americans, do this? And the French don't do it, the Germans don't do it, the Canadians don't do it. They're not any better than us. They're not any less violent as a people. They're humans, they have the same responses as we have. Why don't they go for the gun and kill at the rate that we do?

On His Documentary "Roger And Me":

Ten, 12 years ago when "Roger and Me" came out, at that time we had 50,000 General Motors jobs still. We had lost 30,000, but we still had 50,000. Today there's 12,000 GM jobs left here in Flint, just in the decade since "Roger and Me." And nothing has happened. It's only gotten worse. During a time of incredible wealth in this country, cities like Flint, Michigan, have just been on the ropes.

And you know, I got to say, if I were the mayor of this town, I would be down there to Ford Motor, and I'd say, "You want to make General Motors look bad? Put a factory here in Flint, Michigan. Put a factory here because people will line up around the block, and they'll work their butts off for you. Pay them a good wage, and that'll bring this town back." You know, but there's no thinking like that about how to bring other jobs here.

On Our Elected Leaders:

It's much easier to get elected, again, playing off people's fears. Run a law-and-order campaign. Promise you're going to lock everybody up. Play on the racism of the white voters, and let them know you're going to lock up the black community, or as many of them as you can. We've got two million people in prison now. You know, that's the easy way to go.

The hard way to go is to say, "You know what? If we work toward full employment and if we had a safety net to catch anybody who wasn't employed, where we made sure everybody had the means to get through day and the week and the month, we would have an enormous decrease in crime."

But that's hard work, isn't it? That would take smart politicians. That would take an effort amongst all of us, as the voters, to say, "We want to be like the Canadians."

On War With Iraq:

We're taught from an early age that it's okay to use violence to resolve our problems personally. I believe our mentality as Americans is to shoot first and ask questions later. We just, we go for the gun in a way that no other country does. We somehow believe we have some sense of entitlement or some manifest destiny.

Let's just go for that gun, and that's how we're going to resolve our disputes. And I don't mean that just on a personal level, which is where a lot of the homicides come from. I mean that on a political level and on a global level.

Because, just what we're dealing with right now with Iraq. The guy who's sitting in the Oval Office tonight. He wants to bomb. We don't need any more inspections, let's just bomb them and we'll find out later if they have the weapons. That's the American way. I don't like that.

I'm an American. I paid for those bombs. And I want it stopped. I want that stopped.

I mean, this isn't just starting with Bush. I mean, we have lived our lives, ever since I was born in the '50s, we've overthrown democratically elected governments. We've staged coups. We sent our boys to die in Vietnam for nothing and killed Vietnamese for nothing. We have this whole sad history of this kind of violence. And it is connected. It doesn't just happen in a vacuum.

And it's no surprise to me why people outside this country in other countries look at us and wonder "Why? Why do you do this? Why do you want to jump to war right now against Iraq?" Of course, we all know it's not about weapons of mass destruction, it's weapon of mass distraction, you know, so that Bush can get our minds off the economy and what's really going on because there's an election coming up.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; barfalert; columbine; fiction; guncontrol; michaelmoore; movie; waronterroism
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To: binger
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
21 posted on 11/25/2002 10:41:43 AM PST by Sparta
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To: VRW Conspirator
Go to hell a-hole moore..

This tool actually think his ideals are what a majority of Americans think.

He's so full of himself, and so worthless at the same time.

F you moore.
22 posted on 11/25/2002 10:42:37 AM PST by Monty22
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To: Gumlegs
Now, now, why would pervert Moore allow something like the truth get in the way of his propaganda?
23 posted on 11/25/2002 10:42:44 AM PST by Sparta
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To: Positive
Does he address the fact that Amercia's gun violence is overwhelmingly a black/Hispanic problem? I seem to remember the figure being 85% of all gun murders being those two groups. Is this accurate?
24 posted on 11/25/2002 10:50:09 AM PST by Jhensy
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To: VRW Conspirator
I read the headline half hoping that I had missed earlier news that he had been put on life-support. :=)

(Cruel, I know, but I just couldn't help myself.)

25 posted on 11/25/2002 10:52:20 AM PST by Bob
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To: All
There's an ad around NYC that promises a book http://www.doubletakebook.com will say something very fun about this fellow and those of his ilk...
I'll see if I can take a picture of the ad and post it as I think Freepers will love it...
26 posted on 11/25/2002 10:56:57 AM PST by rpage3
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To: jhofmann
Even back in the 1950s, Howard Hughes didn't dryclean his shirts. He would wear them until they became too unclean and then put on a new shirt.

He also conveniently didn't carry a wallet (giving people around him the "honor" of buying Howard Hughes a meal).

27 posted on 11/25/2002 10:57:00 AM PST by weegee
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28 posted on 11/25/2002 10:58:54 AM PST by newgeezer
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To: VRW Conspirator
"It was the first documentary ever accepted at Cannes Film Festival in 46 years"

Documentary implies that it is factual. Even Micheal Moron's defenders are embarassed that he makes up facts and tilts the scales in his favor.

Maybe the French were acknowledging this as a work of fiction with its nomination.

29 posted on 11/25/2002 11:01:32 AM PST by weegee
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To: *bang_list
Oops. Chalk it up to Monday.
30 posted on 11/25/2002 11:01:46 AM PST by newgeezer
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To: VRW Conspirator
If you were poor in Canada, or in these other countries, the majority of the country wants to embrace you. They want to help you. What we want to do is, we want to beat up on the poor.

We need to get this message out there. Those who come to America to take from the social systems would be better served by going to Canada, Germany, England, etc. Funny how illegal immigrants choose to live in America instead.

31 posted on 11/25/2002 11:06:02 AM PST by weegee
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To: Monty22
I have had several business friends who have weighed about the same as Moore. It's not rocket science to imagine the strain that this type of weight places on his heart and circulatory system. When you stood next to them you could hear the labored breathing. They seemed unable to catch their breath after even normal exertion like walking.

They died young from sudden massive heart attacks, and I suspect that a massive MI is waiting just around the next corner for this communist propaganda machine. Keep your fingers crossed!!
32 posted on 11/25/2002 11:08:47 AM PST by Doc Savage
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To: Positive
So the Japanese have slightly smaller population than Mexico and a miniscule comparative murder rate. On the other hand Mexico has a slightly larger population, where guns are illegal and a huge murder rate.

Perhaps there is less crime in Japan in general? How do the other crimes compare to ours? Maybe there is less crime in Japan because they have a 95% conviction rate, if you get caught. (I read or so that somewhere). Maybe its because there is no multiculturalism in Japan, they have their culture, and you adhere to it. PERIOD.

33 posted on 11/25/2002 11:10:15 AM PST by Paradox
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To: VRW Conspirator
It's much easier to get elected, again, playing off people's fears. Run a law-and-order campaign. Promise you're going to lock everybody up. Play on the racism of the white voters, and let them know you're going to lock up the black community, or as many of them as you can. We've got two million people in prison now. You know, that's the easy way to go.

Mickey knows the strategy but he's got the wrong party and scares. The Rats play off of people's fears. Tell senior citizens that the Republicans want to take away their social security and give that money to rich people. Tell senior citizens that they will be forced to eat cat food, sell aluminum cans to pay for prescriptions, etc. Play the race card. Tell minorities that they can only be represented by someone with the same skin color. Tell them that the other candidate hates them. Play audio tapes with references to burning churches and dragging deaths implying that the Republican candidate supports these things.

34 posted on 11/25/2002 11:12:54 AM PST by weegee
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To: 11B3
This documentary filmmaker used a small camera to take down big game.

The daring documentarian ("Uncle Saddam" filmmaker shows the French aren't all bad)

See the fruits of his effort on Cinemax Tuesday. (I don't have cable but I saw his movie a couple of years ago).

35 posted on 11/25/2002 11:17:24 AM PST by weegee
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To: Doc Savage
Personally, I wouldn't wish death on any American, even if they acted like socialists. Besides, becoming a martyr would be moore's dream "To be a sacrifice to show the horrors of guns." *gag*

I'd personally like to meet him and expose him for what he is in front of our country by way of public debate. His arguments do not hold water in the real world, but it'd be fun anyway.

36 posted on 11/25/2002 11:18:20 AM PST by RandallFlagg
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To: RandallFlagg
Maybe someone could prod Michael Moore to fill in the Timothy Leary role and go toe to toe in debates at universities with G. Gordon Liddy.
37 posted on 11/25/2002 11:25:23 AM PST by weegee
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To: VRW Conspirator
Michael Moore Unplugged

Plug him back in. His mouth. To his colostomy bag. His digestive tract seems to have reversed itself.

38 posted on 11/25/2002 11:26:21 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: VRW Conspirator
Ultimately, getting rid of the guns will be the answer. I think if we got rid of all our guns in the U.S., we would still have the psyche problem: the problem that says we have a right to resolve our disputes through violence. That's what separates us from these other countries.

Exactly which countries would those be, Mikey? Northern Ireland, Chechnya, any country in the Middle East or Africa, Pakistan, or Indonesia? Yeah, we are sooooooo violent!!

His continual harping about how much better it is in other countries that have seized their citizen's guns flies in the face of the facts, particularly with respect to Great Britain and Australia.

Put this obese bloviator in a room with Ted Nugent and lock the door. My money is on Ted coming out in one piece.....

39 posted on 11/25/2002 11:28:02 AM PST by SpinyNorman
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To: weegee
Or Ann Coulter vs. Moore.

Naa! The smell would gag her!

40 posted on 11/25/2002 11:29:49 AM PST by RandallFlagg
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