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To: MadIvan
"whereas the old nationalist rulers advocated racial separation yet relied on cheap black labor, the oranians are prepared to get their hands dirty"

One of the great dilemmas which western civilization has always faced is this: we generally create prosperous societies with growing economies, yet never have large enough birth rates to maintain a healthy labor market. This always results in the importation of large numbers of people from other cultures to do much of the manual labor.

Inevitably, the imported laborers rebel against "unjust" social systems which they find in these societies. This occured in Rome and the South...and is now occuring in Europe, Israel, the US Southwest, and across the Western world in general.

The choice is simple: do the work yourself (and have enough children to supply a growing economy's labor needs), or face displacement, social upheaval, crime, etc at the hands of the imported workers.

21 posted on 11/23/2002 5:42:42 PM PST by quebecois
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To: quebecois
There is some truth in what you say, but there is one statement which is in error.

There were never any large scale rebellions in the South by slaves even during the war. A couple of well publicized ones which were actually very minor.

26 posted on 11/23/2002 5:56:59 PM PST by yarddog
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To: quebecois
>and have enough children to supply a growing economy's labor needs), or face displacement,

I remember back in Public Jr. High school, 99% White ( in the early 70's ), we were told not to have only 1 or 2 kids because of over-population was going to destroy the world. Where are these Marxist teachers now that the 3rd Worlders are over-populating the world? ( I'm really sore about this now )
36 posted on 11/23/2002 8:54:08 PM PST by Missouri
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To: quebecois
The choice is simple: do the work yourself (and have enough children to supply a growing economy's labor needs), or face displacement, social upheaval, crime, etc at the hands of the imported workers.

Great post! Damn! Why didn't I think of that. Our motto should be: "Have babies, not abortions!"

43 posted on 11/24/2002 1:12:03 AM PST by BenR2
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To: quebecois
The choice is simple: do the work yourself (and have enough children to supply a growing economy's labor needs), or face displacement, social upheaval, crime, etc at the hands of the imported workers.

I've been thinking about this a lot recently - it's a serious issue.

The way the question is framed generally, it sounds as if we (i.e., "advanced western societies") have a choice: if we weren't so disdainful of "getting our hands dirty" doing menial labor, and if we produced more children ourselves, we wouldn't have to import dusky laborers and could avoid the problems they bring.

But is that true?

For example, in general parents find it much easier to provide the ample investment in their children's upbringing and education that will enable them to become productive in the modern economy if they have only one, two or at most three children. In a family of seven children, each child must make do with less.

So my question is, do we really have that choice, or is immigration of poorer laborers an inevitable consequence of building an advanced economy?

47 posted on 11/24/2002 1:44:17 AM PST by tictoc
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