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Celtic and Old English Saints of the Orthodox Church

1 posted on 11/22/2002 10:22:39 PM PST by Destro
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For a good short account of Harold, read "the Golden Warrior."
2 posted on 11/22/2002 10:45:42 PM PST by AmericanVictory
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Interesting post, but the piece ignores the fact that the Christian Church thrived in Britain centuries before St. Augustine. Two British bishops (representing hundreds of others) were at the Council of Arles in 314 AD. Britain's Promartyr, St. Alban, is generally believed to have been martyred in 209 AD.

And for the diehard romantics, there's always that legend about St. Joseph of Arimathea establishing the Church in Glastonbury just a few years after the Ascension...

4 posted on 11/22/2002 11:08:59 PM PST by MikalM
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King Harold's family later fled to Kiev where his daughter would marry Vladimir Monomakh, Prince of Kiev.
6 posted on 11/22/2002 11:23:04 PM PST by FormerLib
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Thanks Destro. And Many Years to you also!
8 posted on 11/23/2002 4:41:32 AM PST by MarMema
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Bookmarked!
9 posted on 11/23/2002 5:03:05 AM PST by happygrl
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bookmarked!
10 posted on 11/23/2002 7:42:12 AM PST by Wordsmith
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bump for a later read
11 posted on 11/23/2002 8:22:21 AM PST by RedWhiteBlue
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To: Destro
bump for later reading
12 posted on 11/23/2002 10:37:52 AM PST by longtermmemmory
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....for since 1052 the English archbishop had been banned and denounced as schismatic by Rome. The result of the Norman Conquest was that the English Church and people were integrated into the heretical “Church” of Western, Papist Christendom, which had just, in 1054, fallen away from communion with the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, represented by the Eastern Patriarchates of Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem.

One thing major branches of religions never seem to tire of are turf wars.

16 posted on 07/07/2003 5:13:26 PM PDT by Pahuanui (when A Foolish Man Hears The tao, He Laughs Out Loud.)
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thanks for the ping. Pinging PE.
18 posted on 01/05/2004 8:13:06 PM PST by msdrby (US Veterans: All give some, but some give all.)
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English Orthodox Church - in Greece

Saint Andrew

Saint Andrew is the Patron Saint of Scotland, and St. Andrew's Day is celebrated by Scots around the world on the 30th November. The flag of Scotland is the Cross of St. Andrew, and this is widely displayed as a symbol of national identity.

The "Order of Saint Andrew" or the "Most Ancient Order of the Thistle" is an order of Knighthood which is restricted to the King or Queen and sixteen others. It was established by James VII of Scotland in 1687.

Very little is really known about St. Andrew himself. He was thought to have been a fisherman in Galilee (now part of Israel), along with his elder brother Simon Peter (Saint Peter). Both became followers (apostles) of Jesus Christ, founder of the Christian religion.

St. Andrew is said to have been responsible for spreading the tenets of the Christian religion though Asia Minor and Greece. Tradition suggests that St. Andrew was put to death by the Romans in Patras, Southern Greece by being pinned to a cross (crucified). The diagonal shape of this cross is said to be the basis for the Cross of St. Andrew which appears on the Scottish Flag.

St. Andrews bones were entombed, and around 300 years later were moved by Emperor Constantine (the Great) to his new capital Constantinople (now Istambul in Turkey). Legend suggests that a Greek Monk (although others describe him as an Irish assistant of St. Columba) called St. Rule (or St. Regulus) was warned in a dream that St. Andrews remains were to be moved and was directed by an angel to take those of the remains which he could to the "ends of the earth" for safe-keeping. St. Rule dutifully followed these directions, removing a tooth, an arm bone, a kneecap and some fingers from St. Andrew's tomb and transporting these as far away as he could. Scotland was close to the extremities of the know world at that time and it was here that St. Rule was shipwrecked with his precious cargo.

St. Rule is said to have come ashore at a Pictish settlement on the East Coast of Scotland and this later became St. Andrews. Thus the association of St. Andrew with Scotland was said to have begun.

Perhaps more likely than the tale of St. Rule's journey is that Acca, the Bishop of Hexham, who was a reknown collector of relics, brought the relics of St. Andrew to St. Andrews in 733. There certainly seems to have been a religious centre at St. Andrews at that time, either founded by St. Rule in the 6th century or by a Pictish King, Ungus, who reigned from 731 - 761.

Whichever tale is true, the relics were placed in a specially constructed chapel. This chapel was replaced by the Cathedral of St. Andrews in 1160, and St. Andrews became the religious capital of Scotland and a great centre for Medieval pilgrims who came to view the relics.

There are other legends of how St. Andrew and his remains became associated with Scotland, but there is little evidence for any of these, including the legend of St. Rule. The names still exist in Scotland today, including St. Rules Tower, which remains today amongst the ruins of St. Andrews Cathedral.

It is not known what happened to the relics of St. Andrew which were stored in St. Andrews Cathedral, although it is most likely that these were destroyed during the Scottish Reformation. The Protestant cause, propounded by Knox, Wishart and others, won out over Roman Catholism during the Reformation and the "idolatry of catholism", that is the Saints, relics, decoration of churches, were expunged during the process of converting the Roman Catholic churches of Scotland to the harsh simplicity of Knox's brand of Calvanism.

The place where these relics were kept within the Cathedral at St. Andrews is now marked by a plaque, amongst the ruins, for visitors to see.

The larger part of St. Andrew's remains were stolen from Constantinople in 1210 and are now to be found in Amalfi in Southern Italy. In 1879 the Archbishop of Amalfi sent a small piece of the Saint's shoulder blade to the re-established Roman Catholic community in Scotland.

In 1969, Gordon Gray, leader of the Roman Catholic Church in Scotland was in Rome to be appointed the first Scottish Cardinal since the Reformation. Pope Paul VI gave him further relics of St. Andrew with the words "Saint Peter gives you his brother". These are now displayed in a reliquary in St. Mary's Roman Catholic Cathedral in Edinburgh.

22 posted on 03/07/2004 10:44:19 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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Bump, been looking for this.
25 posted on 03/08/2004 12:55:51 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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This is historical revisionism of the worst sort. These Christians weren't "Orthodox" in the Eastern Orthodox sense of the word, since the split hadn't even occured yet! These Christians were all Catholic.
33 posted on 03/08/2004 11:34:12 AM PST by Pyro7480 (Minister for the Conversion of Hardened Sinners,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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Ping for later.
36 posted on 03/08/2004 11:55:52 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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I understand this article better after reading two of Michael Wood's books on Early and Medieval England.
118 posted on 03/09/2004 8:37:52 PM PST by Ciexyz
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