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This has to be the WORST misinformation I have EVER seen regarding firearms from the BATF.

A Garand machine gun?!! First there are no full auto parts available for these, AND if there were, what good is a MG that only holds 8 rounds?

An M1 carbine firing armor piercing ammo? If they ever made AP in 30 carbine, that's news to me

They already have bans on the importation and sale of AP ammo. And what little there is left in the civilian market can just as easily be shot from ANY 30-06 hunting rifle.

And any rifle that fires .223 and above can slice through a soft vest anyway.

Does anyone here besides me find it offensive that its OK to be sent halfway around the world to potentially die on foreign soil carrying one of these rifles, but can't be trusted with them back in the good old USA?

Does anyone here find it disgraceful that an importer can bring in swastika marked K98 Mausers, but can't bring back an M1 Garand?

I'm sending letters to my Congressmen, President Bush, the NRA, and the VFW about this. Absolutely disgusting.

And further proof the FBI needs to take over gun law enforcement policy, and put the BATF back to its original role of REVENUE COLLECTION!

This is a fight we gun owners can win, and can be our 'Battle of Midway' on the long road to the repeal of the AW ban!

1 posted on 11/17/2002 8:06:01 AM PST by kidao35
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"Garand rifles, which can be easily converted into automatic weapons." (New York Slimes)

Sure - an eight-shot machine gun? Has anyone ever even heard of a Garand made full-auto?

Bush has to totally clean out BATF - and repeal the Klintonista mindset there. Now that both houses of Congress are GOP, he doesn't have any more excuses about not doing so. If he doesn't, then he doesn't deserve gun owners' votes in 2004.

Scandals of antigun politicians - from coast to coast!

42 posted on 11/17/2002 10:15:48 AM PST by glc1173@aol.com
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To: *bang_list
Bang
43 posted on 11/17/2002 10:19:05 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: kidao35
The so called Danish Garands and other WWII weapons are already being sold here and have been for quite some time. An 8 pound, 44 inch long rifle is just not very likely to be carried by dope dealers and bank robbers. They can not be converted to full auto.
44 posted on 11/17/2002 10:21:11 AM PST by SSN558
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To: CapandBall
I don't think there's a paragraph in this that doesn't have at least one lie.
46 posted on 11/17/2002 11:30:06 AM PST by m1911
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To: kidao35
2nd amendment bump
47 posted on 11/17/2002 11:55:54 AM PST by Cacique
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Bump
51 posted on 11/18/2002 6:47:36 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: archy; Jeff Head; Blood of Tyrants
Ping. Do you suppose that this is in someway connected to the M-14 rumor?
53 posted on 11/18/2002 7:32:18 AM PST by gnarledmaw
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What I love is that on one hand ...daily I hear the news of terrorists with nuke...chemicals...biologicals..

Terrorists infilitrating all of Americas instiutions..islamic sniper attacks..on private unarmed citizens..random assasinations purely for the sake of inducing terror and a malaise of helplessness..

Open borders...WMD...impending smallpox epdemic...terrorists to attack schoolchildren and hospitals...

Refusal to go after muslims as this would make them feel bad...and they might sue..

and what is the answer to this...disarming citizens...especially those nasty war hero types...you know the one...the white ones...who love guns..and read gun magazines and who have
GASP...bibles....

So lets go after more rifles..that may be used by these US combat vets or their familes in self defense...or even war relics...from the WW2 era

Meanwhile terrorists are overunning the country..while the govt heros we are to look to to save us from them...are handing out what amounts to parking tickets to old ladies...
And we are supposed to trust what these people tell us about Homeland Security????

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
54 posted on 11/18/2002 7:47:22 AM PST by joesnuffy
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An obvious garbage hit piece designed to indoctrinate the sheeple with propaganda rather than educate them with the truth. The truth is that it is collectors (like me) who will snatch these up, not criminals.

Does anyone here find it disgraceful that an importer can bring in swastika marked K98 Mausers, but can't bring back an M1 Garand?

Oh, yes.

56 posted on 11/18/2002 7:56:49 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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Did anyone else go to "Machine Gun Dave's" webpage to look at that "1928 Colt commercial water-cooled tripod listed for $1,250?"

That's $1250 JUST for a tripod - NOT a machinegun!
See it at
http://www.sarcoinc.com/dp6.htm

Talk about misinformation...
57 posted on 11/18/2002 8:01:13 AM PST by Redbob
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We do NOT need ATF. The FBI, if they do their job properly, and the local police are perfectly adequate for enforcing the laws of the land.

The ATF, rather than the CIA or the FBI, represents the feared federal police force, so opposed by the founding fathers. The function of a law-enforcement agency is to enforce the laws, not make them. ATF has become a vocal advocate of the gun control movement and, as such, has become an avowed enemy of the Second Amendment, and, by extension, the Constitution.

This anti-Constitutional government agency should be dissolved, its rank and file absorbed into the FBI and CIA, and its policy making spokepersons given the boot and kicked off the public payroll.

ABOLISH THE ATF!!!
59 posted on 11/18/2002 8:33:25 AM PST by ZULU
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bang!
63 posted on 11/18/2002 8:51:49 AM PST by chuknospam
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Ping!

Semper Fi
73 posted on 11/18/2002 9:52:55 AM PST by dd5339
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Moreover, the letter warned, the carbine and Garand can fire bullets capable of piercing the soft body armor worn by police officers

I know you covered it, but...

IT'S AN F'ING .30-06 - A DEER HUNTING ROUND.


75 posted on 11/18/2002 9:57:51 AM PST by Dan from Michigan
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And further proof the FBI needs to take over gun law enforcement policy, and put the BATF back to its original role of REVENUE COLLECTION

Don't think that the FBI would be any different than the ATF when it comes to screwing gun owners. They are just as virulent anti-gun fascists as the ATF (remember who did the final burning at Waco)

76 posted on 11/18/2002 9:58:27 AM PST by from occupied ga
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Will the ban include the millions of French rifles already available in near-mint-condition with only minor scratches on stocks??
78 posted on 11/18/2002 10:10:43 AM PST by tracer
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