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To: SUSSA
Look at the attitude in Beverly Hills. The vast majority of people there vote for socialists.

The cool thing about FR is that eventually the person you're carrying on a debate with will reveal their profound ignorance about something they know very little about.

For your information, unlike the propaganda that you receive via 'Entertainment Tonight', or whatever else you might be watching on TV, BH is filled with successful professionals (doctors, attorneys) and businesspeople, not just entertainment types.

Sure, there are some 'stars', but they typically prefer greater seclusion in places like Malibu & Brentwood. The end result from this high-achievement environment is that BH has some of the best schools in the country, private or public.

no matter how you cut it government schools are welfare. people in $800K houses who have their kids in government schools are on welfare just like the people in the government projects.

I've got news for you: your property taxes are paying for these schools whether or not your children attend them. And here's another tid-bit: the tax system is a scam. You can either be played by it (ie the 'noble' victim) or be a player. Personally, I'd rather take advantage of that of which I cannot control.

If you want to HS a child or send them to a private school for religious or other personal reasons, fine; just don't try to justify them by comparing their academics vs. public schools in upper-middle class neighborhoods.

136 posted on 10/29/2002 12:28:47 PM PST by Snerfling
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To: Snerfling
You still miss the point. But as to your contention that Beverly Hills is a bastion of conservatism, tell me who is their congressman? Some of the biggest liberals in the country are the rich. You may not read about that at DU but they are. Bill Clinton and Gray Davis raised millions from the conservatives in Beverly Hills.

Now let me explain one last time. Government schools are socialist institutions. If you have kids in government schools you are on welfare and others are subsidizing your lifestyle. You can spin it any way you like but the fact is you are on welfare just like the crack queen in the projects.

Earlier you posted: Lowell in SF is probably THE most elite public school in the country - the entrance exam looks like something you'd see at MIT.)

The reason Lowell can get away with such a tough entrance exam is because there are more people trying to get in than there is room for. That is called the free market working. These people must think it is worth the money to send their kids there instead of to government school. I would guess it is because the school is academically superior to the government schools in their upper middle class neighborhoods.

Whatever the reason, these people, and millions like them, are accepting their responsibility instead of pushing it off on their neighbors. As more and more people flee the government schools the tax support will erode. People who are paying for free market schools will vote against tax increases to support the government schools.

It will happen in the middle class school districts first because these schools are failing the fastest. Nationally they even had to make the SAT test easier because the scores were falling every year. Places like New Jersey and Mass that had the best government schools in the country in two generations ago are below the national average now.

These states take money from the “rich” schools and send it to the poor districts. This trend is spreading. We even have it in Texas and it is harder to get people to vote for school tax increases now because they can see the money going elsewhere.

There is also a growing number of seniors. As the baby boomers get near retirement they see their property taxes growing faster than their income. They see friends and neighbors have to move when they retire because they can’t afford the school taxes. This is starting to get more seniors interested in cutting the school tax and getting seniors to vote against school taxes. Hopefully, this trend will escalate. As the population ages seniors will out vote the teachers unions and welfare sponges and we will start to starve the beast.

No matter why people turn against having the government in the education business it is a good thing. The government should not do anything the private sector can do. Government schools have no place in a free society. They are one of the first socialist institutions that needs to be ripped out by the roots.

146 posted on 10/29/2002 6:35:48 PM PST by SUSSA
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To: Snerfling
BTW to save you from looking it up the arch conservative Waxman is the congressman from Beverly Hills.
147 posted on 10/29/2002 6:42:07 PM PST by SUSSA
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