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Border Patrol Agent Shot
El Paso Times ^ | Oct 13, 2002 | Jum Conley

Posted on 10/13/2002 3:12:34 AM PDT by FryingPan101

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To: home educate
Yes indeed... we sure got saddled with a herd of greedy losers this time.
41 posted on 10/13/2002 3:05:45 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"America's foreign policy towards mexico should be one of helping in their economic development">>>>>>>>

What is mexico doing now, or ever, to further her own economic development ???

42 posted on 10/13/2002 4:35:14 PM PDT by txdoda
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To: FryingPan101
Even Mexican-Americans agree....

Even worse! I was watching a show broadcast from Juarez the other day and they had a panel discussion about the problems massive migration is causing Juarez. That city is overwhelmed by people moving in from the southern states and Guatemala and Honduras. They aren't equiped to handle hundreds of thousands of indigent people, and it had never really occurred to me until I heard them talking but Juarez had it's own culture decades ago that is being destroyed by so many coming in from other places who don't fit in. They too don't like the refugee camp appearance their city now has and they mentioned the huge increase in crime and how many of the migrants are criminals.

What was nice about watching that show ---they have all the exact same concerns as people in parts of the US and there was no racism accusations (I guess since it's all their own race). Even the priest on the panel brought up the issue of social injustice in Mexico and Central America as being the main push behind the level of migration that is now going on. Most people prefer to stay in their own hometowns and would if they could.

43 posted on 10/13/2002 4:47:02 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: B4Ranch
bttt.....
44 posted on 10/13/2002 8:56:30 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Your buddy there has a lackey by the name of Ridge running around telling Americans that the administration, bound by the constitution to protect and defend Americans, will not put the military on the borders for "cultural and historical reasons". What are those clowns talking about?
45 posted on 10/13/2002 9:14:36 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: Luis Gonzalez
The proposed Homeland Security and all the baggage that goes with it is so much “opium for the masses” while our borders are "purposely" left wide open at the direction of George Bush while our immigration laws go "purposely" un-enforced at the direction of George Bush.

BTW, I caught part of your FR Banana Republican radio show or whatever it is called a few days ago. You sounded really creepy and unprofessional in my opinion, especially when AAABEST was talking about his work with the Sawgrass Rebellion in FL.

46 posted on 10/13/2002 9:34:53 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: meenie
"We are headed for serious trouble by not controlling immigration."

Headed? I think we are already IN serious trouble and most just don't realize it yet.

47 posted on 10/13/2002 9:43:07 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: WRhine
You sounded really...

Weak. Grow some nuts.
I'll remember this next time you send me a Freepmail about being rude.

48 posted on 10/13/2002 10:22:06 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: PRND21
I'll remember this next time you send me a Freepmail about being rude.

When did I ever send you a Freepmail without you first initiating it?

49 posted on 10/13/2002 10:50:55 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: FITZ
"I would rather see American investments in Mexico than in China but Mexico has some serious problems that it needs to deal with before all it's problems can be solved by us."

I never said that we should solve all its problems, as a matter of fact, I'm talking about solving OUR problems.

Call it my "ants" theory.

If I have ants in my kitchen, I could fumigate to get rid of them.

Of course, I'd have to fumigate periodically because if I don't eliminate food on the floor, they'd just come back.

They come for jobs, give them jobs there, they come for welfare, take the benefits away. It benefits the US consumer.

"There is a need for them to take a close look at their social injustices and question why prosperity ends at the Rio Grande when Mexico is a country very wealthy in natural resources and labor."

Are these things we looked at, and demanded, before doing business with China?

Mexico's problems are nowhere near the magnitude of Red China's.

"I know of an illegal who left because in his town the wealthy family that owned the only business often didn't pay the employees at all..."

I guess you haven't been paying attention to the news around here.

ENRON.

I also had an outfit that stuck the company I represent for half a million dollars in unpaid bills, and most of a month's wages for over three hundred employees of their's.

No one is getting any money.

The US is in no way obligated to do social engineering in Mexico, or any other country for that matter, before doing business with them, and unlike China or Cuba, Mexico has never stated that the destruction of the US is one of theor goals.

50 posted on 10/14/2002 12:12:20 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Marine Inspector
In other words, unlike what you said before, Bush is doing and saying. You just don't like either.

Thanks.
51 posted on 10/14/2002 12:13:31 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: txdoda
Mexico has done quite a bit to further her economic development since the currency crash of the early 80's (or late 70's, can't remember right now), and they have quite a ways to go.

We as a Nation, are engaged in "nation building" all over the globe, well, this is our hemisphere, and if we are going to "build nations", we should start here.
52 posted on 10/14/2002 12:19:04 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: WRhine
Turn the dial.
53 posted on 10/14/2002 12:19:42 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Tancredo Fan
They're talking about something that the jerk whom you adore, and whose name you wear so proudly, would never understand.

54 posted on 10/14/2002 12:21:43 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"Cultural and historical reasons"... well, what are these "cultural and historical reasons"? We're being invaded, and this administration is sitting around twiddling their thumbs.
55 posted on 10/14/2002 8:11:24 AM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"Is being shot by a Mexican smuggler somehow more injurious than being shot by a Harlem junkie?"

You are missing the bigger issue. A Federal law enforcement officer was shot by an invading enemy force (drug smugglers). The Mexican army has been documented to be escorting those smugglers into our country. Why the hell we do not have a squadron of Cobra choppers blowing them to hell on a daily basis is beyond me. In any other nation of the world, this is an act which dictates deploying military forces. In our country it dictates political correctness. We need to deploy 4-5 divisions along our border permanently. It's time to end this idiocy. Unless W is happy to turn a blind eye to the drug and illegal immigrant smuggling to help his re-election chances. And that would be a shame if that's true.
56 posted on 10/14/2002 8:17:41 AM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: Luis Gonzalez
You just don't like either.

I don't like the fact that everything he has done or said will not secure the borders. He is turning us into the new security screener agency. We spend more time harassing legitimate travelers then we do looking for criminals. And when we do find criminals, he has made it harder to remove them and increased the amount of paperwork 2 fold.

Bush and Company are doing their best to keep the door open and keep us from finding the bad guys. It's all smoke and mirrors, so people like yourselves, are satisfied that he is doing something, when in fact nothing is being done.

57 posted on 10/14/2002 9:08:13 AM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: Tancredo Fan
"This administration" is doing more than the three previous administrations combined.

Reagan gave them amnesty, Bush I did nothing, and Clinton did nothing. This administration has allocated more funding than the previous two.

What took decades to develop, ain't going to be fixed in three.

BTW, declaring war is a function of the Congress. Has your boy brought up a declaration of war against Mexico up on the floor?

I mean, he's the one braying about "the invasion".

Face it, he's telling you what you want to hear to keep himself in office.

What are the cultural and historical reasons?

1) When has the US, in wartime or in peace, ever used the US Army to enforce civil law?

2) When has this notion of freedom that drives our form of self-government, included militarizing the borders, during wartime or in peace?

58 posted on 10/14/2002 9:11:42 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Nuke'm Glowing
You are playing semantics, a drug smuggler is a drug smuggler, not an "invading enemy force", regardless of what you say.
59 posted on 10/14/2002 9:21:29 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Nuke'm Glowing
"The Mexican army has been documented to be escorting those smugglers into our country."

Documented? Not even Tancredo claims that:

""They are reporting that they see people coming through with guns. The concern is that there are people coming through with arms, M-16s, protecting drug carriers," said Mr. Tancredo, who has proposed using National Guard troops at border areas."

"The concern" is hardly the same as documented, and I don't see Tancredo mincing words when it comes to his main, get-out-the-vote pet issue.

Or we can even take the word of those working the border:

""These situations can be very difficult," said Keith Weeks, a patrol agent and vice president of Local 1613 of the National Border Patrol Council in California. "We are outgunned in these instances. They have automatic rifles, and we have handguns." He said that military assistance for drug running in Mexico is "a definite possibility."
"A definite possibility" doesn't say documented to me.

If Mexican authorities are chasing a smuggler in the dark, over unmarked terrain, they may inadvertently cross over into US territory.

Each and every one of these incursions, that happen both ways BTW, are discussed at lenght between the two governments, and dealt with at a local level.

I suggest better communications between US and Mexican Border patrols are needed, rather than gunships to start an idiotic and not needed border war.

Are there crooks in the Army? Probably on both sides, but they should not dictate policy, nor be the cause of a border war.

60 posted on 10/14/2002 9:51:56 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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