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To: Ahban
Because you want to wish away an ever-growing pile of evidence, you lawyer the knowledge gaps as somehow showing that we don't know what we do. We don't know exactly which if any fossils are on the exact line of descent of modern birds. We don't have an immediate precursor for Archaeopteryx, which is earlier than the Chinese feathered dinosaurs. That seems a bit out of order, but the fossil record is sparse for fine-boned animals and you have to remember to expect a branching, not linear, structure.

That does not help you with what we do have, which is a fine display of feathered dinosaurs and reptilian birds showing just about every possible intermediate character. It's the same thing you see with other transitions: things that don't intergrade now blend almost imperceptibly into each other as you go back in time, until scientists disagree over what bin in which to cast a certain specimen.

More examples here.

41 posted on 10/01/2002 3:11:57 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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42 posted on 10/01/2002 4:09:38 PM PDT by scripter
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To: VadeRetro
Because you want to wish away an ever-growing pile of evidence,

Drawings are not evidence. A five year old child can draw a picture, that is not evidence of something existing. The bones you showed - without mentioning what they were - have nothing to do with the present article. You parade them on every occassion where birds are discussed. There are no wings on your pictures and there are no wings or feathers on either of the DRAWINGS in the article. Of course the article, as is usual on evolutionist articles, does not bother to show the bones which supposedly inspired the drawings. They do not do so because it would mean revealing the fraud they are trying to perpetrate.

47 posted on 10/01/2002 6:02:01 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: VadeRetro
Check out "Old World Chamelions", These creatures fit ALL the "Dinosaur Criteria!"
82 posted on 10/01/2002 6:45:06 PM PDT by Doc On The Bay
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To: VadeRetro
In 1960 in Wyoming they discovered a Parrots beak..lower half i believe.
Dated to 65 milion yrs ago.
The architecture of the beak has been studied against present day parrots..the 2 nearly match.

Primitive birds with teeth went extinct with the dino's..while toothless birds,like the Parrot survived the time curve.
At some point the reasoning must come forward...if Dino's evolved into Birds....what are fully formed birds doing living at Creteacous period.
My personal view is that the info pertaining to feathers is slim..yet the hypothesised construct is run with..it is now even stated as fact in the evolutionary books fed to our children.
This is really a fantasy that has grown wings.

Comment on dino's:
They are finding fossils from Brazil...Triassic..with counterpart in Arizona U.S.....Staurikosaurus..6 1/2 ft ..runs on 2 legs....has splayed and lengthened hands and feet with claws....4 finger with minor further back near joint.
Head like a velociraptor..with teeth..velociraptor style eye orbits..nasal configuration.
Yet it has fewer bones in its spine..and differs in hip bone numerics.
Meanwhile..creatures which look an move like crocodiles are its competetion.
However one wishes to look at probably the earliest dinosaur..it was specialized...like a raptor.
Yet later...dino's appear with lesser arcitecture development and limitations.

359 posted on 10/03/2002 1:57:09 PM PDT by Light Speed
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