Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Air Security Focusing on Flier Screening
Washington Post ^ | Sept.4 2002 | RObert O'Harrow, Jr.

Posted on 09/04/2002 10:59:01 AM PDT by HassanBenSobar

From the moment the Transportation Security Administration was formed, agency officials have been consumed by the idea of a vast network of supercomputers that would instantly probe every passenger's background for clues about violent designs.

(click on link for remainder of article)

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News
KEYWORDS: airsecurity; profiling; terrorism
(ahem) no comment...
1 posted on 09/04/2002 10:59:01 AM PDT by HassanBenSobar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: HassanBenSobar; Admin Moderator; Sidebar Moderator
This is not breaking news -- not even front page. Should be moved to extended news.
2 posted on 09/04/2002 11:02:48 AM PDT by paulklenk
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HassanBenSobar
I have to put up with a similar "instant background check" every time I buy a gun. Why shouldn't the public have to do this to fly?
What is good for the goose.........
3 posted on 09/04/2002 11:18:47 AM PDT by Species8472
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HassanBenSobar
Ah, so now we can have a supercomputer tell our crack federal airport security officers to search grandmas, congressmen and medal of honor winners. I'm gonna sleep better now.
4 posted on 09/04/2002 11:20:01 AM PDT by colorado tanker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: colorado tanker
Yeah the profiling of white woman over the age of 80 has gotten out of hand.
5 posted on 09/04/2002 11:40:49 AM PDT by Mixer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: HassanBenSobar
This is all baloney.

Let's face it, since 9/11, no sane person would attempt to hijack a plane with a box cutter.
It would be tantamount to suicide.

Some "investigative" new agency did a report on Fox News Network talking about how they were able to pass inspection with box cutters and razor blades in their carry-on.
Who cares?
Any hijacker that pulls a razor or box cutter on a plane will be DEAD within 15 minutes, or at least seriously injured.

I am concerned about;
(1) Explosive devices.
(2) Guns in carry-on luggage. ( Guns in luggage going to the baggage compartment are O.K., as long as they are declared. )

All else is just baggage.
I don't care about nail clippers, hell, I don't even care about Your folding Buck knife.
I especially don't care about G.I. Joe accessories, and abhor the idea of scaring the bejesus out of little kids.

A suggestion for the TSA......
Get Your Head out of Your Posterior!
You need to concentrate on the ability to take out the entire plane, not shaving accidents.
You need to concentrate on those who are actually a possible threat, not 90 year olds, not 10 year olds.
Call it Profiling. It's not a dirty word.
It's pragmatism..

Does it offend some minorities? Tough.

The TSA is destroying the Airline Industry.
The Airline Industry is helping.
Why?
Because they can blame it all on the fattest checkbook in the world.
The U.S. Government.

I can see the clouds of lawsuits gathering.
Looks like a big storm.

6 posted on 09/04/2002 11:44:09 AM PDT by Drammach
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Drammach
Actually, the article correctly states that CAPPS 2 does profile. It just profiles in a way that is far more sophisticated than looking at race alone.

A few years ago a pregnant white lady was correctly profiled and prevented from taking a bomb on board--because certain factors indicated she was a high risk. Those factors are, of course, secret. The technology does have value, even if it doesn't look that way from the outside.

7 posted on 09/04/2002 11:53:50 AM PDT by HassanBenSobar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Mixer
"Yeah the profiling of white woman over the age of 80 has gotten out of hand." Well, you can't be too careful; some of those little old ladies pack some mean knitting needles!
8 posted on 09/04/2002 12:03:26 PM PDT by colorado tanker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: colorado tanker
True
9 posted on 09/04/2002 12:06:04 PM PDT by Mixer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: HassanBenSobar
Was that the Irish woman whose Palestinian boyfriend - and father of the baby - gave her a present (I think it was a clock) to carry in her suitcase when she returned from Israel? The woman herself, of course, didn't realize that the "present" was a bomb, but certain factors that were known about her, probably that she was involved with Palestinians, caused her to be pulled aside for a thorough search.

If I recall correctly, the Lockerbie bombing was also the result of a "gift" given by an Arab man in Germany to his American girlfriend.
10 posted on 09/04/2002 12:07:27 PM PDT by livius
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: livius
Yes, that's the one. There were certain risk factors (other than the Pally boyfriend) that tipped off security to search her much more carefully.
11 posted on 09/04/2002 12:10:18 PM PDT by HassanBenSobar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: HassanBenSobar
I did not wish to indicate race is the ONLY factor.
It just seems that racial profiling is the one most criticized.

Political Ideology, age range, ancestry (race), criminal history, associates, point of origin, homeland, etc, etc, etc....
All should be considered.

12 posted on 09/04/2002 12:31:56 PM PDT by Drammach
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: colorado tanker
and they might knit an afghan !
13 posted on 09/04/2002 3:28:13 PM PDT by hoosierham
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: livius
I guess that I will never understand why otherwise intelligent , attractive young women choose to become involved with various forms of scum. Especially scum which believe the woman is only worthy of being a slave.
14 posted on 09/04/2002 3:31:39 PM PDT by hoosierham
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: hoosierham
"and they might knit an afghan !" LOL! Whole lotta afghans been knitted!
15 posted on 09/04/2002 3:44:55 PM PDT by colorado tanker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: colorado tanker
Apparently their super computer program zeros in on Freepers.

An extremely high number of us, including my wife and I, were "profiled" and given the treatment.
16 posted on 09/04/2002 3:51:02 PM PDT by dalereed
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: dalereed
"An extremely high number of us, including my wife and I, were "profiled" and given the treatment." There is no rhyme or reason to it that I can see. I returned alone from a conference over a weekend, so I wore tennis shoes, and I wasn't checked. Then I showed up with my family of six to go on vacation and was "given the treatment." Caught a nasty bug on that trip too, which I think came courtesy of the TSA since no one else in the family caught it.

Only good thing is in the last few months I've seen two line cutters get pulled over for the search!

What is frustrating is that with all the federal $$ being spent by those clowns, I have seen almost nothing done that really improves security.

17 posted on 09/04/2002 4:00:36 PM PDT by colorado tanker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: colorado tanker
There is no rhyme or reason to it that I can see.

That's the idea. You don't want any terrorists to be able to reverse-engineer the system. Of course, what's in place now is the old system, which has lots of serious shortcomings.

18 posted on 09/04/2002 4:58:39 PM PDT by HassanBenSobar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: HassanBenSobar
"That's the idea. You don't want any terrorists to be able to reverse-engineer the system."

Sorry, I don't agree. A random search system may have some in terrorem effect, but in actuality is bound to fail. There were 622,000,000 passengers in 2001 and 19 hijackers, or 0.00000003%. The bad guys have engineers and can run the numbers. Their solution is just send a few more crews to build in a cushion in case one or two are stopped.

The only search selection system that will actually work is profiling, which the TSA, our crack federal airport security professionals, can't seem to get off the ground. And since Mineta refuses to allow a national origin component to the profile, I submit the effectiveness of the system is degraded before it starts.

"Of course, what's in place now is the old system, which has lots of serious shortcomings." Agreed!!

19 posted on 09/05/2002 9:08:44 AM PDT by colorado tanker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson