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Daniel Pipes and Pat Buchanon agree... double dealing Saudis [Transcript from MSNBC]
Daniel Pipes.org | August 29, 2002 | Daniel Pipes

Posted on 08/29/2002 1:42:02 PM PDT by 1bigdictator

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1 posted on 08/29/2002 1:42:03 PM PDT by 1bigdictator
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To: 1bigdictator
I think it is safe to say that more people will see this on FreeRepublic than actually saw the broadcast on PMSNBC.
2 posted on 08/29/2002 2:03:51 PM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: Phantom Lord
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3 posted on 08/29/2002 2:55:45 PM PDT by EverOnward
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BUCHANAN: Mr. Pipes, I want to ask you this, though. During the Cold War, we had liberals and leftists were yelling for democracy and they didn't like our allies,
they said they were flawed. And they helped take down the Shah under Jimmy Carter and they helped take down Somosa in Nicaragua. And we wound up with the
Ayatollah and that horrible situation in Iran and we wound up with the Sandinistas down there, right there, in Nicaragua.

Are folks like you not inviting the same sort of thing; we got-not a single democracy in the Arab world, understandably. But you make them demo - more
democratic-more expressive of the will of the Arab street and won't they all be in favor of a war on Israel and do you really think it's going to be better in Saudi Arabia
when the monarchy goes down?

Can't wait to see the defenders of the "Anti-Semite charge" tackle this one.  Why would an anti-Semite bother asking this question boys and girls?

Appologies accepted!

4 posted on 08/29/2002 4:37:02 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
I always pegged Pat as more anti dark skin than anti jew.
5 posted on 08/29/2002 5:27:25 PM PDT by Phantom Lord
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If that's a reference to his call for immigration reform, I would think that he has always been within his rights to ask that everyone who comes here do so by legal methods.
6 posted on 08/29/2002 5:36:38 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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"I always pegged Pat as more anti dark skin than anti jew. "

Pat had a black pro-life lady, Mrs. Foster, as his VP in the last election. Pat is pro-American and that is considered as anti-jew, anti-black, anti-Brit, anti-Hispanic, etc. etc. etc. because he opposes their special interest politics. He is also smeared as a socialist because he opposes NAFTA deals which send American worker jobs to foreign countries for some transnational corporation's bottom line.

7 posted on 08/29/2002 5:45:36 PM PDT by ex-snook
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To: DoughtyOne
I also find his call for whites to have more children so as not to be taken over by non whites to have more than a touch of racism to it.

Don't you Pat supporters get me wrong. Pat is right about a lot of things

8 posted on 08/29/2002 5:50:13 PM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: 1bigdictator
...Just heard Savage interview with Mr. Pipes. He mentioned Islam as a religion with radical islam as an ideology. He's right. There must be that separation as part of the debate...
9 posted on 08/29/2002 5:55:37 PM PDT by gargoyle
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To: Phantom Lord
When addressing this subject one has to go clinical.  Objectively I feel that it is as reasonable for northern Europeans to seek to protect their majority status in the nations that they have it in today, as it would be for any other race to seek to protect their own status within the nations they inhabit.

I would never dream of celebrating the demise of any ethnic group within our nation. Yet a couple of years ago Gray Davis and Bill Clinton celebrated in public the designated day that the white populace of California dropped below 50%.  Today approximately two years later, the northern European populace of California has dropped to 46.5%.

I think we all have to do some soul-searching here.  IMO, from the observations that I have made, it is not the northern European population segment in this nation that is faxated on race, and trying to manipulate the process for their own avantage.

I do however think it reasonable for them to be able to express at least the same aspirations that other races do for themselves in this nation.  Although I would say, that if in my lifetime I witness northern Europeans celebrating the demise of another race, I'll be voicing some rather strong opinions about it!  Contrasting what goes on today, my comments will be directed at them and not the race that is losing population status.

10 posted on 08/29/2002 6:08:29 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Phantom Lord
End the double standards I say. Israeli leaders usually comment on the demographic war about ten times more than PJB. So leave it at that and move on with your life.
11 posted on 08/29/2002 6:15:08 PM PDT by junta
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To: Phantom Lord
...Agreed. That is divisive, but, multiculturists believe flooding the US are hoping that in numbers, they can achieve a socialist nation...

...Only in education about freedom of individuals in a constitutional repubic will be the right way to save this nation...

...If that fails, then God help us...

12 posted on 08/29/2002 6:19:42 PM PDT by gargoyle
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To: 1bigdictator
Pipes don't fool around. His website is very well done!
13 posted on 08/29/2002 6:21:11 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: gargoyle
...Only in education about freedom of individuals in a constitutional repubic will be the right way to save this nation...

And thats the problem. Not that the numbers of 'non-whites' in America is increasing. The problem is that NONE of the children born in America are being taught our history, or the greatness of the individual and what individuals can achieve in America.

They are all being taught 'group identity' and that they are a member of their 'group', not an individual. 'Group Think' and 'Group Identity' and the elimination of the individual will be the downfall of America. Not an increase in the non-white population.

One thing that drives liberals crazy is the success, both academic and financial that minorities who are NOT born here achieve when they move here. They move here to do just that and they teach their children to strive for personal growth, education, and success whereas those born here are taught the opposite.

14 posted on 08/29/2002 6:33:22 PM PDT by Phantom Lord
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One thing that drives liberals crazy is the success, both academic and financial that minorities who are NOT born here achieve when they move here. They move here
to do just that and they teach their children to strive for personal growth, education, and success whereas those born here are taught the opposite.

I am not convinced you hit even close to the target here.  I believe there are plenty of excellent examples to contradict your premise.  The most prominent is the complaint of minority immigrants that their children don't get a fair shake.  While they complain of language barriers, overt racism, lack of funding and other hurdles, the children of Asian immigrants continue to not only outstrip children from other minority groups, but often the byproduct of generations of American citizens.

The truth is all too many immigrants and minorities have come to the conclusion that our society owes them everything on a platter.  And I think the children of US citizens fall into that trap as well all too often these days.

I witness too many immigrants scarfing off the fat of our land, both parents and children to buy into the honest work ethic you espoused here.  And I would add that as regions sink into overcrowding and poverty, the numbers of all groups that abuse the system rises exponentially, not just minority or illegal immigrant groups.  That's why I see the flooding of this nation by massive numbers of poor under-educated people to be so devistating.  It's a seeding for planned failure, for community destruction, for national suicide.

15 posted on 08/29/2002 8:37:15 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: gargoyle
...repubic, check that, Republic...

...I'll not forget that "l" ever again...

16 posted on 08/29/2002 9:23:54 PM PDT by gargoyle
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To: gargoyle
I rarely agree with Pipes, but he's right on about moving slowly to democracy in Arabia. A democracy in Saudi Arabia or Iraq is not going to be what the utopian dreamers in our country want.
17 posted on 08/29/2002 9:30:50 PM PDT by Hamza01
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To: DoughtyOne
I witness too many immigrants scarfing off the fat of our land, both parents and children to buy into the honest work ethic you espoused here. 

Good example being the 10,000 Somali refugees we are importing. Probably as a feel good gesture to the congressional black caucus.

Somalis rarely work but get all kinds of enhanced and immediate government handouts since they are refugees. Why would any Somali in his right mind want to move to cold climate Maine where there are few jobs? Yet they do by the thousands once they get to the USA. Answer is the welfare money goes further there.

18 posted on 08/30/2002 7:21:40 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: DoughtyOne
When I spoke of immigrants in my above post, I was speaking of legal immigrants who took the initiative to move here legally and of their own accord to realize their human dreams. They are far different than those that come here illegally.
19 posted on 08/30/2002 11:57:32 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: Phantom Lord
Thanks for the additional comments. I get worked up on this issue. Thanks for taking that in stride. Take care.
20 posted on 08/30/2002 3:40:21 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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