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AUTOPSY AND INVESTIGATIVE REPORTS ON THE DEATH OF CHIEF NEGOTIATOR
08/23/02 | Harris County Medical Examiner's Office, Houston Fire Department Fire/Arson Investigations

Posted on 08/25/2002 5:31:16 PM PDT by COB1

About three months ago, under the advice of the Texas Attorney General's office, I wrote a registered letter to Joyce M. Carter of the Medical Examiner's Office of Harris County in Houston, Texas, requesting the coroner's report on Herbert Paul Meadows, known to us as CHIEF Negotiator, who died in a fire at his house on October 4, 2001.

That report along with the Houston Fire Department's report on the investigation of that fire has finally arrived.

Without going into the technical aspects of the autopsy report, CHIEF Negotiator's death was ruled as accidental due to smoke inhalation.

NOW FOR THE REST OF THE STORY:

From the Arson Bureau's report:

"The fire originated at floor level approximately 4 feet west of the east wall adjacent to the south wall in the formal dining area. At this point the sheetrock on the south wall shows calcination along the south wall approximately 6 feet in length in the area below the southeast window. This suggests an area of intense burning and high heat.
The wood wall base trim at the area of origin was deeply charred by the fire. A wooden dining set of 4 wooden chairs and a wooden table were almost completely consumed by the fire. Small charred pieces of the table and chairs were all that remained.
The fire was very intense in the dining room area and spread to the adjacent rooms to the east, west and north. These rooms sustained high heat and fire damage from the fire spread. The fire consumed wooden doors separating the dining room from the kitchen and family room. Burn patterns were consistent with a fire moving from the dining room area into the adjacent rooms."

These next pics I took through the window shown by the arrow:

Continuing with the Arson Bureau's report:

"Investigators observed that the north side garage entry door was kicked open and that a partial shoe print was found on the door. This investigator was unable to determine if the door was forced by firefighters or was forced prior to the fire."[italics and bold mine]

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"Captain ------ of L-36 told Investigator ------ that he found the deceased Herbert Paul Meadows lying in a fetal position, with his head against the west wall in the bathroom near the den. Firefighters dragged the victim to the driveway where he was pronounced dead by paramedics of Squad 40."

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"Engineer ------- of L-36 reported that he observed two tripped electrical breakers when he shut off the electrical power."

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Investigator ------- went to St. Lukes Emergency Room to interview --------(Mrs.) Meadows who is the wife of the deceased. --------(Mrs.) Meadows was transported by H.F.D. ambulance after the fire. -------(Mrs.) Meadows was treated for smoke inhalation and had been medicated by the hospital but she was able to relate details of the fire.
(Mrs.) Meadows told investigators that she and her husband Herbert watched a late night T.V. show and then she had went to bed while her husband Herbert had went into the den to work on the computer.
Mrs. Meadows stated that she was in bed about 10 minutes as was not asleep when she heard a 'noise or crash'. Mrs. Meadows said the sound 'was like something going through a window'. These sounds came from the other side of the house where her husband was working. This sound was followed by loud screams. (sic)'Was like something going through a window!' She described the sounds made by her husband as 'like I never heard him scream in my life!'
-----(Mrs.) Meadows reported she ran down the hall toward the dining area and was stopped by the thick black smoke in the kitchen area. ----- (Mrs. Meadows) yelled at her husband and asked him if (sic) see needed to call '911'! (Mrs. Meadows) stated that she heard a 'muffled' 'yes!' and then lost contact with Herbert Meadows. (Mrs. Meadows) told investigator that she smelled a 'bar-b-que' type odor like 'when you light a fire with charcoal lighter fluid'. (Mrs. Meadows) attempted to call for help on a phone in the house but she reported the phone was dead. (sic) Meadows went outside in the front yard and yelled for help.

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From notes of the Harris County Medical Examiner's Office:

"Arson inv. reveals no..(crossed out).. flammable fluids"
"The investigators.. (crossed out).. smelled gas at scene"
"Not sure if they are ruling arson or not"


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AUTOPSY AND INVESTIGATIVE REPORTS ON THE DEATH OF CHIEF NEGOTIATOR



Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my General Interest or Texas ping list!. . .don't be shy.

161 posted on 08/25/2002 8:15:09 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: COB1
DAMN! This really clears everything up doesn't it!

Thanks for your untiring efforts on ths my friend! I won't forget!

162 posted on 08/25/2002 8:15:11 PM PDT by Bigun
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To: Dog Gone
To refresh your memory on this....his last post was at 12:03am. The fire department was called at 1:24am (from my memory but no more than a couple minutes off if any) and they arrived at 1:30am. While you are accounting for things, try accounting for that time gap. It's a big one. :)
163 posted on 08/25/2002 8:16:58 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: Bigun
HI there, Bigun! How are you doing?
164 posted on 08/25/2002 8:18:19 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: COB1
Gee COB, no ping? ;-)
165 posted on 08/25/2002 8:18:30 PM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; MistyCA; COB1
Thanks for the ping.

This whole thing stinks.

COB1, MistyCA,
Thank you for your hard work.

166 posted on 08/25/2002 8:18:39 PM PDT by SC Swamp Fox
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To: SC Swamp Fox
You are welcome. :)
167 posted on 08/25/2002 8:19:24 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: WFTR
Depending on where the fire had spread, kicking open that garage door would have been a natural thing for the firefighters to do in order to ventilate the house.

Sounds reasonable. The only issue I have is why they didn't simply match the shoe print with that of a firefighter or just ask those on the scene if they kicked the door open or not. I'll have to say though that judging where the dining room is in relation to the garage, this might not be too likely. Unless the dining room fire was a diversion since they knew that the chief may be armed.

168 posted on 08/25/2002 8:19:27 PM PDT by meyer
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To: MistyCA
The Houston PD was not involved in this investigation.

I find comfort in that news. What PD is supposed to be on the job?

169 posted on 08/25/2002 8:20:01 PM PDT by DeSoto
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To: COB1
Hmmmmmmm....Pretty awful report COB1....you don't cross out information on investigative reports....How can you mistake smelling gasoline, flammable substances and other immediate responses...This stinks!

Someone, somewhere has a connection to this investigation...

170 posted on 08/25/2002 8:20:09 PM PDT by KLT
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To: MistyCA
"but there was no evidence of a fire bomb being thrown."

The way this investigation was handled, I don't see any evidence of ANYTHING!

171 posted on 08/25/2002 8:20:55 PM PDT by COB1
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To: DoughtyOne
Was there window glass on the inside of the burned room? A burning room would blow the glass out, not in.

Unless the fire was also spread into the attic and the convection force was strong. Then it might blow in.

172 posted on 08/25/2002 8:22:03 PM PDT by meyer
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To: Dog Gone
"Do you know if there was a TV in the dining room?"

I'm almost sure that the only TV was in the living room, but I don't know that.
I'm sure Mrs. Chief told me, but I can't remember.

173 posted on 08/25/2002 8:23:11 PM PDT by COB1
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To: MistyCA
Watching TV for a little while?
174 posted on 08/25/2002 8:23:39 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: COB1
BTTT for justice.
175 posted on 08/25/2002 8:24:09 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: COB1
I've seen these comments about CN's death posted here from time to time, and I have to admit I don't get it.

Are you suggesting that there was arson, which the HFD did NOT pick up on, or do you mean to allege that there is a purposeful cover-up?

If the latter, could you PLEASE explain why you think this "conspiracy" was laid on?

Are you suggesting, for instance, that it was aimed at CN because he was a FReeper? Are all the rest of us (in the Houston area at least) in terrible danger as a result?

If the latter, do you have any instances of other attacks on known FReepers in the Houston area?

FWIW, maybe it was arson and maybe it wasn't but I'm interested in the intense obsession with this tragedy, and what you think it all means.

176 posted on 08/25/2002 8:24:18 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: KLT
"you don't cross out information on investigative reports"

Let me clarify that:

These weren't part of the report.
These were notes that the ME had made, and they were handwritten.
I really don't know why she sent them to me!

177 posted on 08/25/2002 8:25:39 PM PDT by COB1
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To: COB1
If there was an appliance on the wall in question in the dining room, that seems to me to be the prime suspect. I would think it very odd and unlikely that an empty "plug" would be the source of an explosive fire. If there was nothing there, I would certainly lean toward some sort of external cause, which would probably be arson.
178 posted on 08/25/2002 8:26:53 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: COB1
BUMP! To CHIEF...never forgotten.
179 posted on 08/25/2002 8:28:38 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: MistyCA
THat time gap can only be answered by the Chief's widow, if at all. Maybe that time between the final post and the Chief's death, contains the last precious memories and togetherness they ever had. I respect her right to that final hour of privacy.
180 posted on 08/25/2002 8:29:22 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell
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