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Defects in NYPD handguns [Glocks jamming]
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS ^
| Tuesday, August 20th, 2002
| BOB KAPPSTATTER and ALICE McQUILLAN
Posted on 08/23/2002 2:24:12 PM PDT by archy
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posted on
08/23/2002 2:24:13 PM PDT
by
archy
To: archy
we estimated that this has happened only once in 450,000 times when fired.
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posted on
08/23/2002 2:25:56 PM PDT
by
ibbryn
To: archy
Judging from the shooting ability that NY cops have demonstrated the guns may be more lethal as clubs. Besides pistols are illegal for anyone but cops to own therefore the police really don't need guns! ( There is no gun crime . . . . . right?)
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posted on
08/23/2002 2:27:25 PM PDT
by
Nov3
To: jdogbearhunter; alieno nomine; Xphantasos
Ping
To: *bang_list
Here we go again! ;)
To: ibbryn
we estimated that this has happened only once in 450,000 times when fired. From link above:
Retired NYPD MOS Pat Rogers reports upon personal observation that Glock, Inc. has set-up a mini-CAD CAM machine shop with technicians supplied by Glock in a rented trailer at Rodman's Neck where it will be on station for at least one year, and possibly longer.
A milling machine capable of handling eight (8) slides at a time, is performing two cuts, one on the breach face, and another at the ejection port. Some of the newest Models 19 already have one of those cuts done at the factory, and unconfirmed information suggests that Glock, Inc. will be incorporating these changes across their entire product line.
Glock has acknowledged that these cuts are not so much to prevent the malfunction as they are to make it easier for the operator to clear them when they occur. That seems to be barely one step beyond Glock's offer when the Phase Three problems first surfaced, to produce an instructional video on P3 clearances.
While the Glock 19 has been purchased in higher numbers (25,000 units) than either the S&W 5946 or Sig-Sauer P226 DAO variant, approximately two-thirds of NYPD's last academy class chose a handgun other than the Glocks as their duty weapon. DS
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posted on
08/23/2002 2:33:30 PM PDT
by
archy
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To: em23
...something about an eight or ten pound trigger pull, I heard.
To: archy
GOT COLT?
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posted on
08/23/2002 2:50:30 PM PDT
by
elbucko
To: archy
I dont like the trigger/safety mechanism on a glock.
That said, I have NEVER seen one jam.
To: archy
And people wonder why I love 1911's and revolvers :)
To: archy
"In the worst-case scenario...we estimated that this has happened only once in 450,000 times when fired."I thought needed to be repeated.
To: Ford Fairlane
. . . . I have NEVER seen one jam.OK, let's look at reality. Glocks are purchased by police departments because they are low-cost weapons, not for any other reason. Would you want to trust your life to the lowest bidder?
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posted on
08/23/2002 2:59:20 PM PDT
by
toddst
To: toddst
Sounds to me like they're "limp wristing". This allows the recoil to be absorbed by the arm and elbow(instead of functioning the action).You can do this with a 1911 or any other semi-auto handgun if you try hard enough. Maybe the NYPD should get more training for the sissies amoung 'em.
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posted on
08/23/2002 3:03:54 PM PDT
by
chadwimc
To: archy
For the record, IMHO, Chief Michael Collins of the NYPD is a moron and should be relieved. Any auto loading pistol that operates properly 449,999 out of 450,000 times is 99.9998% effective, about as close to perfection as is humanly possible. The members of the NYPD should be on their knees every night, thanking God, that they have Glocks. Chief Collins should spend some time improving the shooting skills of his officers, that might actually be of some use.
To: Marine Inspector
Ping.
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posted on
08/23/2002 3:30:30 PM PDT
by
PsyOp
To: chadwimc
Sounds to me like they're "limp wristing".Based on all the testing they've done on the range I don't believe limp-wristing is the problem. There's a problem in the engineering itself and Glock isn't addressing it. Mr. Glock tends to discourage criticism of his guns, is what I hear. Glock better get on with serious work IMO.
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posted on
08/23/2002 3:44:39 PM PDT
by
toddst
To: Ford Fairlane
Yes... I don't have much interest in a Glock myself. They just don't fit my hand right. I prefer the 1911 style single-stack magazine. But: everyone I know that owns a Glock raves about it. Particularly: reliability. Sounds like maybe Glock had a bad batch or a late-model tweak to the engineering that isn't working out.
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posted on
08/23/2002 4:19:54 PM PDT
by
Ramius
To: archy
"Our studies have shown this to be a rare occurrence," said police spokesman Chief Michael Collins. "In the worst-case scenario...we estimated that this has happened only once in 450,000 times when fired." If this is true, the New York Police Department may have the world's most reliable pistol.
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posted on
08/23/2002 4:21:58 PM PDT
by
J Jay
To: chadwimc
Bingo!
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