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Vanity....Allegations regarding the Elizabeth Smart Case.

Posted on 07/19/2002 10:08:49 PM PDT by Partisan Hack

I have been relatively active on some of the boards regarding the Elizabeth Smart case. As such, I have received numerous e-mails. This one came in just a little while ago. I am providing it for your consideration and comment.

Church or no church I believe ANY parent would have dialed 911 before anything, not run around the neighborhood and calling bishops and all. I realize Mormons are deeply into all this formality but it's their child. Call them after. But before?

Also, there's the matter of all the "people" in the home before the police arrive. I cannot believe that one of those people didn't say.. Wait.. we shouldn't be here now.

Then there's the matter of a kidnapper knowing exactly where the child's bedroom is. I know 14 is not a child, but it is to me. The kidnapper had to pass the parents bedroom not once but twice. Then he allowed her to put her sneakers/shoes on. Would you waste that precious time?

Then there's the matter of the 9 year old waiting two hours before notifying the parents. Tell me, did she really look at the clock? I doubt it. Apparently she was going to the parents room but saw the kidnapper in the house. Where did she see the kidnapper for the second time? Why did he linger in the house with his victim?

We have not heard of anything being taken from the home as in a burglary.. where are the fingerprints? We don't even know if there are any. How did the perp enter the home? If the doors were locked he either had a key or the door was unlocked. I find an unlocked door hard to believe. What was the exit route?

Now as for the child, the 9 year old seeing the perp. She can see he's wearing a "polo" shirt, that he was wearing a jacket, she can see hair on his hands, a hat all this while pretending to be asleep. But no composite? Why wasn't that done?

I have also read that she was in fact questioned by the authorities three times and each time in the presence of her mother.

Any and all information that the public has been fed was contradicted after the fact. Mr Smart himself can not answer a straight question because he doesnt want to jeopardize the case. But yet he goes on a Press Conf. and tells us about a letter that was recieved. A letter the police were, at the time, unaware of. A letter that Uncle Tom FAXED to the police department and today we hear about an E-mail he "accidently" deleted. Again, the police knew nothing.

Now you can laugh about the Enquirer being a rag magazine but they have no fear of anything especially law suits and have, believe it or not, award winning journalists working for them. This alleged "gay" porn found on the Smart computers.. this collection of supposed sexual perversion would destroy them in the Mormon community if proven to be true. When Mr Smart was questioned on it, his answer was not something a "normal" person would say, (in my opinion anyway).

Instead, he said something like.. it's irrelevant or nothing to be concerned with. Someone else might say "that's absurd" or "yeah, so what. I had porn on my computer. Who cares!"

It seems to me that this whole ordeal is either a total sham for money or notoriety or he knows exactly where his daughter is and always has but it's gone beyond his control and now has to play his own game.

In my own opinion, and I stress this as I have no solid proof to back it up, I think this child is alive and now with one of the other wives. I think Smart got himself into severe financial trouble or he was being blackmailed because of his sexual preferences.

These are just a few thoughts of mine so tear it apart if you will but these are my opinions and thanks for asking.


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To: JustPiper
But sources say the media story was frustrating to investigators because they believe Newhouse has no credibility. And that investigators went to Cheyenne...and found nothing.

Cheer up, if there's one thing I've picked up following his case it's when LE says it's not credible or they've found nothing you've just seen a gigantic piece of the puzzle. Don't ask me why they handle it this way.

41 posted on 07/19/2002 11:28:44 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: All
If one of my children, or grandchildren were missing, I would have a cellphone strapped to my side and I would be searching. I would never stop until he/she was found. I would search every waking minute, if not more. I would not stop until they put me in the grave. Period.
42 posted on 07/19/2002 11:29:38 PM PDT by Lower55
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To: Utah Girl
Is this why they some resemble each other in appearance?
43 posted on 07/19/2002 11:32:12 PM PDT by Bella
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To: Utah Girl
...Newhouse has no credibility....

Newhouse does have a huge credibility problem because apparently when she testified for the grand jury she was covering for Ricci and didn't bring up anything about seeing him in the Jeep on Jun 3 or Ricci building a fence for her sister on Jun 7. However, seeing how Ricci is going away for good anyway, she can't resist 'doing the right thing' and pinning Ricci in the Jeep on Jun 3 and telling LE where Ricci went on that 1000 mile jaunt in his Jeep and collecting the award money if that tip leads to the case being solved.

44 posted on 07/19/2002 11:36:12 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: Lower55
Just getting on this thread. Read through all the replies.

Your comment is very valid. Look at all the missing kids cases that have been in the forefront of the news over the years. Then, look at the reaction of the parents. It's a very telling piece of information in each case.

Let's see: Smart, Ramsey, Smith, Runnion...

How many others do you all know of?

If I were an investigator I would have a profiler run some data from this perspective. Maybe they have. If so, I would sure like to see some of it.
45 posted on 07/19/2002 11:36:51 PM PDT by poolplayer
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To: poolplayer
That's how I feel, too.

Some people just don't look devastated and they seem to be the same ones whose killers are never found, or turn out to be the killers themselves.

46 posted on 07/19/2002 11:40:01 PM PDT by Lower55
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To: cherry
the cops have directed what has been said at their press conferences....so its the cops, not Mk....its their story and their descriptions that have changed...but that is just my opinion....

Last weekn the cops didn't even know they were having a press conference..they came over when it was almost over and took Ed aside, remember? Ever notice how antsy the family became then started crying Ricci? Who's really being protected?

47 posted on 07/19/2002 11:41:20 PM PDT by Bella
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To: Bella
The polygamist? Maybe. I know that Tom Green who was found guilty last year in Utah, has five current wives, two sets of sisters, and then another wife. They tend to dress alike and wear their hair long.
48 posted on 07/19/2002 11:42:02 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: poolplayer
Or like the dad of the five kids drowned in Houston, was it?

If he wasn't someway responsible, I'll eat my hat.

49 posted on 07/19/2002 11:42:35 PM PDT by Lower55
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To: Utah Girl
They live on the cul-de-sac.
50 posted on 07/19/2002 11:43:02 PM PDT by Bella
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To: Bella
The dad: Ricci knows my daughters........uh, well, not personally......
51 posted on 07/19/2002 11:45:43 PM PDT by Lower55
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To: Bella
Thanks. I can't find a picture of the Smart home, the front of it, but most of it is landscaped with rocks and big bushes and trees, and the driveway kind of winds up to the house. Literally, there would be nowhere for a press conference to be held, but in the street, and that would disrupt the neighborhood. And I can't blame them for not wanting the press in their home, bothering their children.
52 posted on 07/19/2002 11:46:48 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Utah Girl
The polygamist? Maybe. I know that Tom Green who was found guilty last year in Utah, has five current wives, two sets of sisters, and then another wife. They tend to dress alike and wear their hair long.

Yes..Could this be WHY the mom stated on one of her rare appearances that you can have a life with her? Is this why the aunt stated the authorities are working with them? I always thought it was the other way around..who are they protecting??

53 posted on 07/19/2002 11:47:15 PM PDT by Bella
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To: Bella
Huh? I don't remember Lois Smart saying that. She does talk to Elizabeth in every press conference, which I know some people find weird. But if Elizabeth is still alive, I think she would find that comforting, if she is anywhere near a TV. Somehow, I don't think Elizabeth is alive...
54 posted on 07/19/2002 11:48:38 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Bella
The dad: I would like to talk to Ricci face to face and ask him what he knows..

Me to the dad: Then get your ass in the car and go ask him!!!!!!!!!!

55 posted on 07/19/2002 11:49:04 PM PDT by Lower55
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To: Lower55
The dad: Ricci knows my daughters........uh, well, not personally......

He said "not intimately", I nearly fell off the chair when he said that!!!

56 posted on 07/19/2002 11:49:06 PM PDT by Bella
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To: Lower55
That's the interesting part. The ones that don't look all that devastated; Those seem to be the cases that don't get solved.

So, how does the "not looking devastated" part play into the data common to these cases? This is what I'd like to see a report on.

Anyone out there know of such a report?
57 posted on 07/19/2002 11:49:12 PM PDT by poolplayer
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To: Bella
I'm outta here, I am sooo tired, I can barely keep my eyes open. It's been a long week.
58 posted on 07/19/2002 11:49:23 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Utah Girl
Yes, she DID say that..
59 posted on 07/19/2002 11:49:43 PM PDT by Bella
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To: Lower55
Exactly..and does he think Ricci has tv in jail?? LOL..Just a bunch of BS!
60 posted on 07/19/2002 11:50:38 PM PDT by Bella
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