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To: BluesDuke
We do not owe any political party a damned thing. Serious parties (George F. Will said this once) try to shape as well as seduce the nation. If anything, all things considered, it is the Republican Party who owes us a full and proper account as to why they talk the talk but do not walk the walk;

You are right -- we do not owe any political party a damned thing. That is not why I stay in it. However it is serious people -- not parties -- who try to shape as well as seduce a nation -- it's not the other way around as George Will states. The majority of the Constitution loving people are in the Republican party. Therefore, there is no reason to leave it. The best you can achieve is concentrating the same mass of Constitution lovers elsewhere and that ain't going to happen anytime soon. Meanwhile what you get is dilution. The best course is to change the remaining people in the Republican party and then the remaing people in the electorate.

If you can't win a Republican primary with ideas and principles derived from the Constitution, then you will never be able to win a general election based on these same principles.

989 posted on 06/26/2002 10:03:36 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign
You are right -- we do not owe any political party a damned thing. That is not why I stay in it. However it is serious people -- not parties -- who try to shape as well as seduce a nation -- it's not the other way around as George Will states.

The Will comment came from a late 1970s column regarding party platforms and campaigns, as I recall. And while I grant that a party is only as sound as the people therein, we do not pull the lever by virtue of the people in the parties - we pull it for the candidates of those parties. It is thus among other things which provoked me to concur in the present context with the Will comment. And when today's Republican Party (well, the Republican Party as it has been for a shamefully long enough time) talks the talk but does not walk the walk, one questions the seriousness not merely of the party but of the preponderance of people therein, no personal criticism intended. Certainly people who settle for what amounts to a "win the vote now, stand on the principle later" cannot and should not be taken seriously in any party.

The majority of the Constitution loving people are in the Republican Party. Therefore, there is no reason to leave it.

We don't have to leave it. It seems more to have left us.

..If you can't win a Republican primary with ideas and principles derived from the Constitution, then you will never be able to win a general election based on these same principles.

They do win primaries and elections when those are run upon. But then they must take up the serious business of government and my, how those principles go the way of the Edsel. Translation, once again: They talk the talk and they do not walk the walk. And guess who the suckers prove once again?

The road to Damnocratic hell is paved with Republican't good intentions.
1,111 posted on 06/26/2002 3:12:12 PM PDT by BluesDuke
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