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Darwin Would Love This Debate
The Seattle Times ^ | June 10th, 2002 | Bruce Chapman & Stephen Meyer

Posted on 06/17/2002 8:02:37 AM PDT by That Subliminal Kid

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Editorials & Opinion: Monday, June 10, 2002

Guest columnists

Darwin would love this debate

By Bruce Chapman and Stephen C. Meyer
Special to The Times

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Which option ("A" or "B") represents your view?

"A. Biology teachers should teach only Darwin's theory of evolution and the scientific evidence that supports it."

"B. Biology teachers should teach Darwin's theory of evolution, but also the scientific evidence against it."

Only 15 percent of adults nationally, according to a 2001 Zogby poll, agree with "A," while 71 percent agree with "B." (Not sure: 14 percent.)

Some, like Mindy Cameron ("Theory of 'intelligent design' isn't ready for natural selection" column, June 3), would prevent students from hearing scientific evidence that challenges Darwinism. Cameron suspects that critics of Darwinism — especially those that advocate the alternative theory of intelligent design — want to place "the Christian God in science classrooms in America's public schools."

Others — like Eugenie Scott of the National Center for Science Education, a Darwin-only advocacy group — deny the existence of any scientific debate. Scott states that "I don't know of any evidence against evolution."

Yet, last fall, 100 scientists, including professors from institutions such as MIT, Yale and Rice, published a statement questioning the creative power of natural selection. Many of these scientists see evidence that points to an intelligent design of life.

So what's going on? Is there scientific evidence challenging Darwinian evolution? Is there evidence pointing to intelligent design? If so, should public school science students learn about such evidence?

Current biology instruction presents only half the scientific picture. For example, few high school biology texts even mention the Cambrian explosion, arguably the most dramatic event in the history of life. Indeed, fossil studies reveal "a biological big bang" near the beginning of the Cambrian period 530 million years ago. At that time, 40 separate major groups of organisms or "phyla" (including all the basic body plans of modern animals) emerged suddenly without clear precursors. Fossil finds have repeatedly confirmed a pattern of explosive appearance and prolonged stability in living forms — not the gradual step-by-step change predicted by neo-Darwinian theory.

Or consider another example. Many biology texts tell about the famous finches in the Galapagos Islands whose beaks have varied in shape and length over time. Such episodes are presented as conclusive evidence for evolution. And indeed they are, depending on how one defines evolution.

Yet, few biology textbooks distinguish the different meanings associated with "evolution" — a term that can refer to anything from trivial change to the creation of life by strictly mindless, material forces. Nor do they explain that the processes responsible for cyclical variations in beak length or wing color do not explain where birds came from in the first place. As a host of distinguished biologists have explained in recent technical papers, small-scale "micro-evolutionary" change (as in the finches) cannot be extrapolated to explain large scale "macro-evolutionary" innovation. Leading evolutionary biologists know this distinction poses serious difficulties for neo-Darwinism. Students should, too.

Indeed, students should not only know the strengths and weaknesses of neo-Darwinian theory, they should know about alternative theories. Most importantly, they should know that many scientists do not accept the Darwinian idea that life arose as the result of strictly mindless processes — that many scientists see powerful evidence of intelligent design.

Lehigh University biochemist Michael Behe, for example, has examined the evidence for design in the intricate microscopic world of the cell. In his best selling book, "Darwin's Black Box," Behe examines, among other evidences, the complex machinery of the rotary engines that drive the propeller-like tails of certain bacteria. Behe shows that these motors display an "irreducible complexity" characteristic of machines designed by engineers. He also shows that this complexity exceeds the creative power of natural selection.

Other scientists see evidence of design in the circuitry, control systems and software (i.e., the genetic information) present in the cell and in the so-called "fine tuning" of the laws of physics.

Cameron apparently objects to informing students about such evidences because they might lead some students to conclude that the intelligent source of life is the Christian God. She also suspects design-friendly scientists of having religious motivations.

In fact, not all such scientists are even religious; some are agnostic. But if all were religious, so what? What matters — in science and in a free society — are not the private religious views of those (on either side) of a scientific argument but the quality of the evidence they marshal.

Nor should the implications of a scientific theory exclude it from study. Most origins theories have religious or philosophical implications. Many current biology texts, for example, make no attempt to hide the anti-theistic implications of Darwinism. Douglas Futuyma's book tells students that Darwinism makes "theological explanations" of life "superfluous." Kenneth Miller's book insists that "evolution works without either plan or purpose."

To prevent ideological indoctrination and to promote academic freedom, the U.S. Senate voted 91-8 to support an amendment by Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., to the new "No Child Left Behind" education act. Later, a version of the "Santorum Amendment" was placed in the final report guiding implementation of the act.

It says, "[A] quality science education should prepare students to distinguish the data and testable theories of science from religious or philosophical claims that are made in the name of science. Where topics are taught that may generate controversy (such as biological evolution), the curriculum should help students to understand the full range of scientific views that exist."

Ironically, Darwin himself probably would have supported this approach. As he stated in the "Origin of Species," "A fair result can only be obtained by balancing the facts and arguments on both sides of each question."

Bruce Chapman is president of Discovery Institute. Dr. Stephen C. Meyer, right, is a philosopher of science and directs Discovery's Center for Science and Culture.



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KEYWORDS: crevolist; darwin; evolution; intelligentdesign

1 posted on 06/17/2002 8:02:37 AM PDT by That Subliminal Kid
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To: crevo_list
boink
2 posted on 06/17/2002 8:03:14 AM PDT by That Subliminal Kid
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To: That Subliminal Kid
Is the subliminal part the exhortation to 'take your sex life to Vancouver'?

I'm already in Vancouver, and believe me, this ain't no Club Med on the Strait of Georgia. ;^)

3 posted on 06/17/2002 8:24:27 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: headsonpikes
Do what???
4 posted on 06/17/2002 8:28:24 AM PDT by That Subliminal Kid
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To: headsonpikes
I was wondering about that myself.
5 posted on 06/17/2002 8:31:39 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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To: That Subliminal Kid
Ironically, Darwin himself probably would have supported this approach. As he stated in the "Origin of Species," "A fair result can only be obtained by balancing the facts and arguments on both sides of each question."

But there aren't "two sides", there is Evolution, the one with the most scientific support, even if that support is as tenuous as its detractors would have you believe, and then there are the MANY faith-based versions. Why stop at Genesis? What about {insert your favorite , Utnapishtin? Dogon tribes Alien theory? Yadda-yadda theory..).

I say, you make a mention of the other theories, but teach the one that has the most evidence and support..

6 posted on 06/17/2002 8:32:32 AM PDT by Paradox
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To: Paradox
but teach the one that has the most evidence and support..

If they did only that, we'd still be teaching that the world is flat.

7 posted on 06/17/2002 8:34:43 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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To: That Subliminal Kid
Check your original post text. ;^)
8 posted on 06/17/2002 8:50:46 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: headsonpikes
'm already in Vancouver, and believe me, this ain't no Club Med on the Strait of Georgia.

Another illusion shattered. So much for the "Rainy Riviera" ;)

9 posted on 06/17/2002 8:53:07 AM PDT by general_re
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To: Paradox
Evidence is of course in the eye of the beholder. There is very little empirical evidence that objectively leads one to conclude that a natural process of evolution lead to the wide and varied species we see today. You see, most people begin with a presupposition. For scientists, that presupposition is naturalism. They then procede to conduct science, and all facts are seen through this lense. I do not fault them for this. Naturalism is essential for conducting science. They should attempt to explain things in natural terms. Why, however, should I be surprised to learn that they collected evidence and determined that life came about naturally? Science is by definition going to conclude that life is the product of a natural process. Given these facts, I say we teach science. That means teaching the philosophical underpinnings of science.

It is very telling that naturalists are so vehemently opposed to the introduction of teachings that are critical of evolution. Could this be because their theory isn't as bullet proof as they might have us believe? After all, if the theory is so solid, and the evidence so overwhelming, what's the big fuss? Surely the kids will come to agree that everything evolved from non-living matter by a long series of chance mutations. I mean, come on. It's obvious, right? The truth which is seen in their actions and which betrays their claims is that their theory isn't that solid, and the evidence isn't that overwhelming and that if children were taught the problems with evolutionary theory (and believe me, they exist) they might *gasp* not believe evolutionary theory! And of course, we can't have that.
10 posted on 06/17/2002 8:55:26 AM PDT by That Subliminal Kid
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To: ShadowAce
It shows that you are an intelligent, thoughtful, and well reasoned person when you insult your opponents by comparing them to people who believe something that is observably false. Congratulations. I'll be sure to keep you in mind when I'm looking for a genuine intellectual to discuss things of a serious nature with.
11 posted on 06/17/2002 8:56:56 AM PDT by That Subliminal Kid
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To: That Subliminal Kid;Paradox
My point was that at one time in history the flat earth was the theory with most evidence and support. I was not trying to insult him, merely pointing out the hole in his logic.

I sincerely apologize if it came across as insulting. I did not mean it that way.

12 posted on 06/17/2002 9:01:38 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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To: ShadowAce
My mistake!
13 posted on 06/17/2002 10:06:32 AM PDT by That Subliminal Kid
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To: Paradox
I say, you make a mention of the other theories, but teach the one that has the most evidence and support..

According to whom?

"The Universe is comprised of THREE dimensions. This is according to modern science and has the most evidence and support."

LATER...

>"The Universe is comprised of FOUR dimensions. This is according to modern science and has the most evidence and support."

LATER...

>"The Universe is comprised of TEN dimensions. This is according to modern science and has the most evidence and support."

The beat goes on, doesn't it?

15 posted on 06/17/2002 2:04:05 PM PDT by berned
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To: That Subliminal Kid
If you ever get the chance read the novel "Calculating God" by Robert Sawyer. Great book! It covers this topic with a different twist. Aliens land on Earth but much to the chagrin of the world's scientists, the aliens accept as a foregone conclusion that there was a creator. They are deeply puzzled why the Earth's scientists have not come to this most obvious conclusion after observing the facts at hand. The aliens aren't certain whether to think of our culture and species as suffiently advanced if we can't even deduce that their was a creator. That's not the plot to the story- just part of it. But the book covers many of the thorny problems Darwinists face and it does it well.
16 posted on 06/17/2002 4:56:05 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: berned
The answer is so simple, the one that has the most support at that time! Thats how science works.

As it stands, I see, at least, a pittance of evidence for evolution, but I see none for the theistic ones.

And my other question still stands, which theistic one would one, and why? Why Genesis over the Bhagavad-Gita?

17 posted on 06/17/2002 8:52:32 PM PDT by Paradox
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To: Paradox
Why Genesis over the Bhagavad-Gita?

You have the floor. Post a link to a short synopsis of said creation theory(Bhagavad-Gita or turtles if you like) or post your own. I'll read it and make my judgement.

18 posted on 06/18/2002 11:58:36 AM PDT by AndrewC
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