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How Big Brother Plans Your Career
News Max / Commentary ^ | Tuesday, May 14, 2002 | Wes Vernon

Posted on 05/14/2002 6:39:04 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park

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To: sixtycyclehum
And what in the hell does the above have to do with what is being discussed?

The ability to learn new skills. It is relevent for several reasons.

One rationale given for instituting programs like "School to Work" is that extensive training is required for various menial jobs. I don't believe that is true. I think the reason why public school graduates are unwilling and unable to learn new skills (and are generally depressed) is because of "learned helplessness."

Take a look around at recent high school graduates. Do many of them have a "can-do" attitude? Or are they generally apathetic and depressed?

One reason for this is that children learn helplessness in school. The situation is very much analagous to the experiment with the dog. Children are put into a "box" (school) and held their against their wills for twelve years. They are then punished and rewarded for various behaviors, but behaviors that are not necessarily what they themselves desire. The net effect is that students are punished and rewarded for behaviors that are oftentimes further punishment, at least from their point of view.

In an analagous sense, they are like the dog that is enclosed in a box and electrocuted randomly. When the dog is placed in a box where he can escape, he no longer has the desire or ability to move. When a student enters the real world where he can use his skills in order to "reward" himself, he no longer has the ability or desire to do so.

22 posted on 05/14/2002 11:29:28 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: sixtycyclehum
Who trained you to use that complex tool known as the computer?

My aren't we full of ourselves today.

The point is that professional educators, the kind that push programs like School-to-Work, will turn a self-learned skill into a jobs program. If it were up to the NEA, learning Windows would require 300 hours of training, and only training given by certified professionals.

23 posted on 05/14/2002 11:32:56 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan
Take a look around at recent high school graduates. Do many of them have a "can-do" attitude? Or are they generally apathetic and depressed?

I guess it would depend on the group of students.

My recent first hand experieces are almost opposite of what this thread generally accepts as truth.

I've attended year end sports banquets, band banquets, and other activities and seen bright, accomplished, motivated kids with parents that greatly support their kids and teachers that eveyone likes and respects. Heck, there was even prayer and preaching at one of the banquets, and sabers and rifles at another event!

The version of school to work that I've seen lays out three options that are not mandated or rigid. The road maps chart the course that will best help a student prepare for university studies, community college/voc-tech studies, or basic knowlege. A student can easily see that if they wan the best shot at university acceptance, they will need to pass certain classes and take a certain level of math, science, and English.

Those that don't have the desire or aptitude for academics don't need calculus as much at they need technical math and vocational studies.

If a student want to cross over, they can, but it will be difficult just as changing majors in college can be a problem.

But I'll agree that if a school mandates and maintains rigid tracks that there would be many problems with that system.

24 posted on 05/14/2002 11:50:14 AM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
Goodbye "natural aristocracy".

Hello "planned aristocracy".

A giant step backward. Sorry, Thom J.

25 posted on 05/14/2002 11:52:10 AM PDT by dasboot
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
Washington State has already started on this plan. Some schools are already tracking kids through a system called, "Aiming High." Basicly, what this program does is separate the top testing students from the main student body and offer enriched college preparatory classes. The remaining students are condemned to "Aiming for Mediocrity," where movies of classic books are shown in class instead of reading the books.
26 posted on 05/14/2002 11:58:26 AM PDT by Eva
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To: infowars
You are a Humanoid Resource on the global masters!

You must obey and do as they say.

They know the job and life that is best for you!

Slavery is freedom, War is Peace

Remember, when all else fails... that's our hands on the hammer.
27 posted on 05/14/2002 12:19:13 PM PDT by Darth Sidious
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To: Darth Sidious,infowars
bump
28 posted on 05/14/2002 12:49:41 PM PDT by Patriotman
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To: madfly
Thanks for the ping.
29 posted on 05/14/2002 12:50:45 PM PDT by sistergoldenhair
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park;madfly;RnMomof7
Recently our son took a test given to his entire high school to help them "plan their futures." The results determined he should be either a "microbiologist" or a "dancer."

Our son was mortified by the later; these days the former seems riskier to me.

Could have been worse, I guess.

Of his two best friends, both straight-A, church-going kids like himself, one was designated as a "mortician" and the other a "future meat-cutter."

30 posted on 05/14/2002 1:21:10 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: Warhammer
I'm very familar with both of these programs (although Black Ice is my personal favorite). The problem is not spyware or unauthorized access on the personal computer. It is the software running on the proxy servers utilized by Comcast, etc. They track through their own systems and most people, even though their NEW and improved "user agreements" state that they (the ISP) MAY track customers browsing, etc. are totally unaware of it. When it made a local newspaper here, Comcast was getting quite a few cancellations, according to a friend who works there. Sadly, most of their customers that found out about this practice just didn't care!
31 posted on 05/14/2002 2:34:45 PM PDT by KentuckyWoman
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