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Linux Enables Safe Computer Donations to Schools
Schoolforge ^ | May 7, 2002 | Leon Brooks

Posted on 05/07/2002 12:29:53 PM PDT by Doug Loss

Linux Enables Safe Computer Donations to Schools

Tuesday, May 07 2002 @ 05:23 AM

The Internet, Tuesday, 07 May 2002: In an official announcement from the SchoolForge[0] group today, spokesman Leon Brooks refuted statements on Microsoft's website which have been widely interpreted as a roadblock to the acceptance of donated computers by schools and other needy organisations.

"Using Linux, OpenOffice.org and other Open Source software, a school or charity can safely accept almost any donated computer," he said. "Simply wipe it and replace the software with Linux[1] and Open Source applications[2], then use the computer as a powerful workstation or server. It's an excellent idea to erase the existing operating system anyway - this also erases viruses and trojan horses, protects the donor's privacy, and complies with the typical EULA[3] - so why not upgrade to Linux while you're there?"

Brooks also noted that Linux removed many of the burdens, costs and legal risks of licence management and software asset auditing faced by most businesses, organisations and individuals. The price tag is also attractive. "School decisions are often dominated by cost; much Open Source software is available at little or no cost, and runs well on donated computers," Mr Brooks explained, "Linux is easy to set up as a fast diskless workstation or `thin client', so many schools are rolling out networks using this robust technology with both donated and new equipment."

"On top of this, Open Source software is immune to almost all existing viruses, has an excellent security record, is extremely reliable, and in an educational setting often provides a deeper spontaneous involvement in computers than programs deliberately designed for the classroom, of which it has many."

The most important benefits were outlined[4] by Peruvian Congressmen Edgar Núñez, Daniel Estrada and Jacques Ackerman after sponsoring a bill to require State agencies to use Open Source where possible: greater autonomy, development of local talent, greater security, more complete accountability, and adherence to standards (interoperability).

The ecological advantage in keeping computers and toxic parts out of landfill speak for themselves.

"Microsoft claims on their website that `it is a legal requirement that pre-installed operating systems remain with the computer for the life of the machine',"[5] Brooks said, "I see this kind of problem often with Microsoft's software, as with viruses and security issues. The approach that many schools, charities and public bodies have taken is simply to use other software without this handicap. This happened[6] when Oregon and Washington schools recently found themselves being pushed into a software audit."

The Simple End User Linux group has dozens of case studies from real schools online[7] showing the immediate financial advantages of this strategy. The K-12 Linux Terminal Server Project group[8] are also recording the extensive benefits of the thin-client approach. They have scores of real examples submitted from real schools by the people using it on the front lines.

Organisations of schools and charities[9] have been springing up to take advantage of this newly publicised wealth of software. SchoolForge is one of the many alliances formed to give schools a running start in Open Source.

ABOUT SCHOOLFORGE

SchoolForge is a rapidly growing international coalition of over 70 schools and education-related organisation dedicated to enhancing communication, sharing resources, and increasing the transparency of development in the area. As well as providing documentation and experience, SchoolForge can arrange to field volunteers to help schools and charitable organisations get started in the stable, secure, safe world of Linux.

SchoolForge is always looking for new associates. The benefits of united and widespread negotiating power are considerable.

ABOUT LEON BROOKS

Leon Brooks[10] is computer consultant working from Perth, Western Australia. Operating through the consulting companies CyberKnights and Computer Clinic, Leon has worked with Open Source operating systems (including LTSP) and applications in a variety of businesses, private and State schools. Business is booming, and both companies are interested in adding talented local Open Source consultants to their teams. Leon also uses and recommends membership in the Perth Linux User Group. His business is 100% Linux and Open Source, and so (except for one Macintosh) is his household; there are Linux applications that his wife would fight to keep.

FOOTNOTES/RESOURCES

[0] http://www.schoolforge.net/

[1] See http://www.linux.org/ - other good OS choices may be found at http://www.freebsd.org/ , http://www.openbsd.org/, http://www.netbsd.org/

[2] http://www.openoffice.org/ or http://www.koffice.org/ for excellent Open Source office suites; http://www.mozilla.org/ or http://www.konqueror.org/ for web browser suites; Mozilla or http://kmail.kde.org/ or http://www.ximian.com/products/ximian_evolution/ for email clients. There is an enormous list of Open Source applications at http://freshmeat.net/

[3] For example, the copy at http://nl.linux.org/geldterug/license.html says "Microsoft may terminate this EULA [...and...] you must destroy all copies of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT and all of its component parts."

[4] The original letter from Microsoft Peru taking issue with the proposed new law is at http://www.pimientolinux.com/peru2ms/alt_ms_to_villanueva.html while Congressman Núñez's response is at http://www.pimientolinux.com/peru2ms/villanueva_to_ms.html

[5] http://www.microsoft.com/education/?id=DonatedComputers first Q&A question, as at 05 May 2002.

[6] http://www.seul.org/edu/acpe2002.html including these notable quotes: `No one was talking about using software without paying for it. It's just that when they came face to face with the power an EULA gives MS, they saw things in a different light. MS software in schools was seen as a logistical and financial liability when compared with GPL licensed alternatives.' and `The Portland Public School switchboard was jammed for two days with calls from Linux users volunteering to come to PDX from all over the west coast to help with software migration.'

[7] http://casestudy.seul.org/

[8] http://www.k12ltsp.org/casestudy.html

[9] Western Australia's Computer Angels[9a] already use Linux rather than risk being destroyed at the whim of a well-supported business[9b] as `PCs for Kids'[9c] effectively was late last year, and a similar organisation in New Zealand was in 1997[9d] - although their primary reasons for choosing Linux is that it provides computer literacy (as opposed to rote patterning with specific applications) far more effectively, and costs far less than available proprietary systems. Linux suppliers and users have a long tradition of supporting[9e] worthy organisations. Larger and American organisations are not immune, there's a long list of victims[9f], with only one fine under USD$50,000 and some exceeding USD$500,000.

[9a] http://www.ca.asn.au/

[9b] http://www.bsaa.com.au/

[9c] http://www.pcsforkids.org/ http://www.cnn.com/2001/BUSINESS/asia/08/09/aus.microsoftkids/

[9d] http://www.idg.net.nz/webhome.nsf/UNID/1B2EA829EEBB476CCC256A8F000AD1BE

[9e] http://www.idgnet.co.nz/webhome.nsf/UNID/DC8B080246F1F98CCC256A940001A54C

[9f] http://www.softwaremetering.com/fines.html

[10] leon AT cyberknights DOT com DOT au; http://www.cyberknights.com.au/ leon AT cclinic DOT com DOT au; http://www.cclinic.com.au/, http://plug.linux.org.au/


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; Technical
KEYWORDS: linux; microsoft; schools
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1 posted on 05/07/2002 12:29:54 PM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: Doug Loss
It's a great idea. Schools save money immediately, avoid legal issues, and save money down the road when it comes to upgrading later on.

Plus, the schools also save money on development tools and source code examples for teaching and classes.

2 posted on 05/07/2002 12:36:55 PM PDT by ShadowAce
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To: Doug Loss
"Microsoft claims on their website that `it is a legal requirement that pre-installed operating systems remain with the computer for the life of the machine'"

Wouldn't this make both upgrades and migration to Linux or other OS's illegal by the EULA? Or is this just to prevent the OS from moving from machine to machine?

3 posted on 05/07/2002 12:38:39 PM PDT by DrDavid
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To: ShadowAce
Yes, it is a good idea actually.

Until the kids get into the workplace without knowing how to use a standard PC.

4 posted on 05/07/2002 12:41:36 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: DrDavid
The EULA is to ensure the OS stays with the computer, not on it.
5 posted on 05/07/2002 12:42:12 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: Psycho_Bunny
What, exactly, is a "standard" PC? Windows? Do you really think they won't have those at home? Or the library? Or access to one at a friend's house?

This will make them better programmers/thinkers/problem-solvers, since they will have access to a PC that doesn't take them by the hand and tells them where they want to go today.

6 posted on 05/07/2002 12:45:02 PM PDT by ShadowAce
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To: ShadowAce
This will make them better programmers/thinkers/problem-solvers, since they will have access to a PC that doesn't take them by the hand and tells them where they want to go today.

I can see AOL's market share shrinking already!

7 posted on 05/07/2002 12:49:43 PM PDT by Still Thinking
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To: PatrioticAmerican
The EULA is to ensure the OS stays with the computer, not on it.

I don't see how they can have the right to do that. As long as one copy of a piece of software is only installed on one processor at a time (or maybe even only in use at one place at one time), I can't see how it's any of their business which processor it is.

8 posted on 05/07/2002 12:52:00 PM PDT by Still Thinking
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To: Doug Loss
PUt Lunix on yuor computar machine BUMP!
9 posted on 05/07/2002 12:54:50 PM PDT by jodorowsky
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To: ShadowAce
Whatever!
10 posted on 05/07/2002 12:56:16 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Until the kids get into the workplace without knowing how to use a standard PC.

So all those kids who grow up on Macintoshes are lost when they are confronted with a "standard PC?"

11 posted on 05/07/2002 1:13:56 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Yes. They're fairly clueless. One notch above hiring someone that's never used a computer.
12 posted on 05/07/2002 1:15:58 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Yes. They're fairly clueless. One notch above hiring someone that's never used a computer.

Too funny. Regrettably, you're the clueless one.

BTW: I'm not now, nor have I ever been a MAC user. I can use one though. I can use a Linux box as well as your so called "Standard PC". All the boxes (PC's) are pretty much the same these days. MAC's use PCI bus architecture even though they use Motorola processors instead of Intel.

OS's on the GUI side as different as they can be, still have certain "standard" ways of operating.

I read English left to right. French, German and Spanish all read the same way using the very same alphabet as English. Learning a new OS is no different that learning a new language; and actually easier.

13 posted on 05/07/2002 1:30:17 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Doug Loss
I just downloaded and burned fresh copies of RedHat Linux 7.3 for testing on an IBM ThinkPad (Mandrake 8.1 still has a better installer for newbies). Open Office is looking really nice. Looks like Linux has really grown up compared to Windows. But I will still stick with my Mac OS X system. :)

Wiping the HD free of M$ apps and installing Linux before giving it to a school is a good idea. Not only does it get rid of M$ cops but it also ensures no private data is left on the machine.

14 posted on 05/07/2002 1:32:39 PM PDT by toupsie
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I just loaded SuSE 7.2 on my Thinkpad last night. It went like clockwork.
15 posted on 05/07/2002 1:43:20 PM PDT by SoDak
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To: Doug Loss
`it is a legal requirement that pre-installed operating systems remain with the computer for the life of the machine'> How can Microsoft claim this? It sounds preposterous.
16 posted on 05/07/2002 1:45:35 PM PDT by DallasDeb
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To: AFreeBird
Too funny. Regrettably, you're the clueless one.

Well, first of all, you need to re-read the posting guidelines for FR...there's no reason for you to be uncivil and personally attack me.

It reflects on no one but yourself.

Second of all, I'm an enterprise programmer for a 70-year old business in downtown Seattle...this is my job.  My software runs this company....and I know my users.  I deal with this issue every single business day.

I wasn't taking sides or making judgments...merely stating facts based on professional experience.

If you are unable to conduct yourself as an adult, please do not waste my time by responding to me.

 

17 posted on 05/07/2002 1:52:14 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: DallasDeb
Preposterous or not, it's what a user agrees to by using the OEM software.
18 posted on 05/07/2002 2:13:07 PM PDT by Britton J Wingfield
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To: Psycho_Bunny
And on the other hand, I work for a well established, respected company servicing financial institutions, and we won't hire anyone in a technical capacity without UNIX experience.
19 posted on 05/07/2002 2:20:42 PM PDT by SoDak
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To: ShadowAce
This will make them better programmers/thinkers/problem-solvers, since they will have access to a PC that doesn't take them by the hand and tells them where they want to go today.

Certainly there are some concepts that transfer from one operating system to another -- ie. using a GUI, etc -- but companies would prefer to hire employees that already know how to use the tools they use, not have to learn them on-the-job piecemeal.
20 posted on 05/07/2002 3:04:09 PM PDT by Bush2000
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