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To: jlogajan
As for homosexual pedophiles, as I proved the other day with your own premises, there are 33 times more hetero pedophiles than homo pedophiles.
There are also 50 times more heterosexuals then homosexuals, so if your figure is accurate it would appear the RATE is higher for homosexuals. Regardless, when you move out of pedophiles (someone attracted to a child) - who are very rare regardless of the sexual orientation - and into Ephebophile (adults who are sexually attracted to sexual adolescents, including older minors) we find that the homosexual abusers, at least in the Church, are present at a far higher rate than the heterosexual abusers.

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24 posted on 04/24/2002 10:32:59 AM PDT by patent
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To: patent
There are also 50 times more heterosexuals then homosexuals

I worked backward from a similar assumption. You say 2%, I said 1%. Anti-homo advocates usually try to downplay the number of homos, so that's why I picked the lower 1% number. Other estimates I've seen put them at 2%. I've seen as high as 4%. Using your 2% figure and the 3x number from Dr. Kopp, the number of hetero pedophils drops to 16 times the number of homo pedophiles, and at 4% the number drops to 8 times.

For the problem to be parity -- equal numbers of homo and hetero pedophiles, and assuming 4% population of homos, homos would have to engage in pedophilia at a rate of 24 to 1 over heteros.

28 posted on 04/24/2002 10:38:58 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: patent
Why bother with distinctions made by a totally prostituted psychological profession or psychiatric profession, both of which have, under pressure from the Gaystapo, reversed their long-held diagnosis of homosexuality with anyone as mental illness? Pedophile or ephebophile, they are simply gay child molesters and that distinction can be told to the civil judge on sentencing for whatever it is worth. Ditto for those tiny few who may be molesting underage girls.

The Roman Catholic Church is neither a democracy nor a republic, thank God, since morality is not a matter of popular opinion. Homosexuality is an intrinsically disordered behavior and the incl;ination towards it is also intrinsiclly disordered. Those suffering or cultivating such a disorder (a mental illness still because illness is also not up for a democratic vote since it either is or is not illness objectively) have no business in the seminary much less in the priesthood. In the Vatican, better minds than mind and more informed folks than me can figure out the basis for what amounts to annulment of Holy Orders entered into in tragic error by those unfit.

If anyone's feelings are hurt as a result, too bad!

On this thread and others like it, we, as Catholics, have and know the truth. The arguments by statistical allegation or by distinction in psychological or sociological description are merely distractions meant to divide and conquer. We have seen, heard and learned enough. It is time to act.

This post is not a criticism of patent but of those who seek any port in a storm to divert our enraged attention and obscure the reality that we are dealing with priestly betrayal of those who had a right to trust their priests to behave properly, episcopal betrayal of those who had a right to expect their bishops to punish rather than cover the malefactors and that the ongoing welcome mat unfurled by the usual gang of seminary suspects for the lavenderly inclined together with the entry into the priesthood of a brigade or two of priests who, by inclination, do not know or do not care as to what properly belongs where among their flocks and who refuse to accept that homosexuality is intrinsically disordered and that celibacy, in any event, means celibacy.

We have been betrayed. It is time for, umm, reaction on a massive scale. Appoint an archbishop of unquestioned orthodoxy as "seminary vicar" analogous to the military vicar. Abolish all seminaries in the United States, fire all of the administrators, faculty and others involved in priestly formation. Create four regional seminaries with a policy of no nuns, no psychiatrists or psychologists, utter orthodoxy, and the new staff to be Fr. John Waynes and the new seminarians to be orthodox and men's men. Clean house absolutely and now. Live with the priest shortage resulting from dismissal of those who had no business in the priesthood to begin with or bring in Third World orthodox priests for the time being.

49 posted on 04/24/2002 11:10:13 AM PDT by BlackElk
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