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A Little Secret About the Nazis (They were left-wing socialists like the modern left of today)
russp ^ | 1/2002 | Richard Poe

Posted on 02/18/2002 2:19:04 PM PST by TLBSHOW

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To: Asclepius

"This is a risible misreading of Marx's essay. Marx was a Jew. He never advocated liquidating the Jews. And Marx never linked Jews to capital because it Marx's era they weren't linked; they were linked to usury, not capitalist commodity production. In Marx's era most of Europe's Jews were poor and confined to ghettos; they lived in the margins. The "Jewish question"--and many authors of the era addressed the so-called "Jewish question"--was how would the newly founded nation states of Europe integrate the Jews into political life? Assimilation would buy the Jews equality, but it might also mean extinction for the Jews as a unique people. Etc., etc.

I am no Marxist. And I have no intention of defending Marx. But we do ourselves no service as conservatives when we get our facts wrong or misrepresent our adversaries."




There is nothing about Marx to defend. Hitler was not bright enough to come up with his plan to play "god" without the foundation laid by those of the mind of Marx. I have no clue what Marx being Jewish has to do with his writings and ideology. Each person is accountable for their own deeds and Marx has much to answer for, as each individual that follows his creed.

Honesty which is what you are seeking need cover all acts and people and stop this one up-man-ship of not placing responsiblity because of ones race, religion, or gender.


161 posted on 08/03/2004 6:57:29 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: PARodrig; rmlew; Clemenza; firebrand; RaceBannon; Yehuda; NYC GOP Chick

ping


162 posted on 08/03/2004 7:12:02 PM PDT by Cacique
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To: TLBSHOW

I’m glad that this article is making clear that the Nazis and Commies, contrary to popular belief, actually ARE part of the same coin, or political spectrum, in this case (heck, Sartre during that time was a member of the Nazi Party in all but name, and even implied he thought Nazi-controlled France was more liberating than Liberated France, and this was the guy who alongside Simone de Beauvoir was hailed as a war hero and part of the French Resistance). And I might as well add in that just because Hitler persecuted Communists doesn’t mean he himself wasn’t a Communist. Remember, Stalin managed to persecute several of his fellow communists, including arranging for the assassination of Leon Trotsky (who if you ask me more than deserved that icepick for just how much of a sick man he was), and would anyone doubt that he was a communist because of it? Heck no! In fact, Stalin even planned to orchestrate his OWN extermination of Jews, the Doctor’s Plot. Obviously, that got canned after his death and Khrushchev had enough wisdom in his otherwise similarly mad mind to not go through with it.

That being said... I’m more concerned about how the French Revolution’s ties to both the Nazis and the Communists are even LESS stated than the ties between Nazism and Communism, so I really think we need to have more focus on that area. Most people would think that the French Revolution is no different than the American Revolution, and that it was the best thing since sliced bread (I can verify this from my own personal experience in school). Think of it like saying the Nazis were right-wing, only in THIS particular case, it’s painted in a positive light rather than a negative light. Yet, it was the French Revolution that acted as the progenitor of the Communists, and by extension, the Nazis. Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in their correspondences, and even speeches in the former’s case, made it VERY clear that he wanted to reenact the year 1793 once they took the helm, and in a threatening letter to the king of Prussia at the time, he even implied he wanted to make his reenactment of the year 1793 to be even MORE bloody than the original version (note, the year 1793 was a reference to Robespierre’s infamous Reign of Terror). And if you’ve read Demonic by Ann Coulter, you’d also realize that even BEFORE the Reign of Terror, there were several horrific acts conducted by the French Revolutionaries. Granted, people like Christopher A. Ferrara may argue that America’s founding WAS like the French Revolution, and not in a good way, and he has made a LOT of convincing arguments on that front, but still...

Anyways, sorry if this was a late post, but long and the short is, I agree, though it does need its improvements.


163 posted on 06/05/2016 4:05:28 AM PDT by otness_e
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To: TLBSHOW

Bump


164 posted on 06/05/2016 4:15:54 AM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: PuNcH
Anarchy, no govt. ;P
Actually, anarchy's just as much of the left-wing as Nazism and Communism are, so it's not even the extreme right wing. Remember, Noam Chomsky, Michel Foucault, Bill Ayers, and Jean-Paul Sartre were anarchists especially during the sixties and seventies, even advocating for absolute freedom of the individual and overthrow of the government, and they were also very much members of the left-wing, not even being close to right-wing at all. Heck, even Karl Marx promised the dissolution of government in the Communist Manifesto, so I'd be very careful about claiming the extreme right wing as anarchists if I were you. If anything, the extreme right wing would better qualify as theocrats.
165 posted on 06/05/2016 5:47:02 AM PDT by otness_e
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To: KC Burke
At the time of the French Revolution, the Estates General was called. The Royalist supporters sat on the Right half of the hall, and the proponants of the new ideologies sat on the Left side of the hall. Ever since that time, revolutionary ideologues have lambasted all opposition as "from the Right" and alligned with old interests, corrupt monarchy, and old power. Yeah, I never bought that explanation on the origin of the terms of "right" and "left", because, technically, depending on where they are sitting, "left" and "right" are randomly placed and opposites. For example, the king would have the right be left and the left be right if he sat, say, near the door. It's literally meaningless since it's not fixed. I heard another story, though, one that, at least to me, made far more sense: I heard that the origin of the terms left and right had their connections to the Book of Revelations, specifically those on Jesus's right were turned into sheep and those on Jesus's left were turned into Goats, and the former were saved while the latter were damned. I know it was in a book named by this guy named Daniel, he was apparently a mystic who supported Woodrow Wilson.
166 posted on 06/05/2016 5:47:12 AM PDT by otness_e
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To: TLBSHOW

Good luck!


167 posted on 06/05/2016 6:01:03 AM PDT by yuleeyahoo (Those are my principles, and if you do not like them...well I have others. - Groucho Marx)
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