Posted on 02/04/2002 6:39:48 AM PST by gratefulwharffratt
I'm glad all your email corresponndents have fast internet connections. I usually take my email images down to 30K max. This looks great at 600x800.
I said you couldn't get top performance in UT under emulation...
Not exactly the same thing...
Win95 DID make it to the shelves in 95, right? It's sometimes hard to tell...
Ah, yesss. Windows 95. File names longer than 8 letters! A trash can!
Beats me why FReepers want to compare $600 PCs with $2400 iMacs. My main objection to Apple has always been price. Goes back to the Apple II vs Trash 80 days. I watched the rich kids with the Apples while I soldered video upgrades for my hand-me-down '80. I guess envy isn't flattering, but now that I have more money, I would rather spend it on performance.
As for reliability, I've used NT 4.0 since about 1996 at work and Win2000 at home for a year and never re-booted either because they crashed. (OK, I've written some VB programs that required a re-boot, but we're not talking about commercial released software.)
Every time I hear the slogan "the computer for the rest of us", I assume "the rest of us" means the wine and cheese set on snob hill.
A couple of FReepers have tried to point me to the amazing low prices available on recent iMacs, and after looking at them, I can only say HAHAAHAHAHAHAHA. Let them eat cake.
This is what I was referring to, when I described Mac Users as rude:
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This quite is just plain insulting:
You MicroSloth shills are showing up by post number two these days...
You are becoming ever more diligent in your Kool-Aid drinking.
5 posted on 2/4/02 7:52 AM Pacific by gratefulwharffratt
Inferring that Wintel users are Stupid & lazy:
Hmmm, if it only takes a week for the FULLY indoctrinated Winbloze user to see the error of their ways, then the conversion must be nearly instantaneous for people who DON'T derive their income from using and pushing MS products.
8 posted on 2/4/02 8:00 AM Pacific by gratefulwharffratt
Inferring that Wintel users are unimaginative and that they have no valid points:
These are things I do as a hobby, which I cannot do to this machine. Therefore a Mac of any sort is not for me. Does this still make me a "MicroSloth Shill"?
Considering that you have just trotted out the same old tired laundry list of 'shortcomings' as all the rest of the Shills, I would say:
YES!!!!!
19 posted on 2/4/02 8:29 AM Pacific by gratefulwharffratt
Inferring that Wintel users are Stupid:
Do you use ANY Operating Systems that are NOT from MicroSloth??
31 posted on 2/4/02 8:48 AM Pacific by gratefulwharffratt
Inferring that Wintel Users are Dope Fiends:
Rodney, I don't know how to break this to you, but it may be time to re-think the old 'PCP before lunch' routine...
Praytell, how many OTHER box-makers turned a profit in the last quarter???
45 posted on 2/4/02 9:17 AM Pacific by gratefulwharffratt
I really don’t need to go on. You’re being insulting and rude.
As I said, you prove my point exactly.
Sometimes you boycott to get a company to change. Sometimes you boycott to punish. And sometimes you boycott-for-life, simply because you must. Toshiba is one of those cases.
Why would I want to play a game if my hardware couldn't handle it?
Sorry, but for games, the Mac suffers solely due to market saturation. If the Mac could play games as well as an x86 machine could, I would consider it. But since games are a big part of my computer life (outside of work), Macs just won't make the cut.
Your point??
If you are suggesting somehow that I should capitulate to the Winbloze shills all over this thread, then you are NEW to FR. If you have never been on one of the OS related threads with the MS Kool-aid drinkers, then I suggest you consult the archives, this thread is MILD compared to some of the things usually said about Mac users by the Winbloze shills.
BTW, the Rodney King-- PCP reference should have been very obvious, as that is what the LAPD always accused the REAL Rodney King of ingesting, as they beat him senseless. Next time, I will explain all my remarks to you separately from the rest of the class, so you don't hold the others up.
I guess that next, you will turn your pious, self-righteous gaze toward post # 11, and when you do, please tell me how you justify that post.
Technically, you don't. But...
Ever notice that Mac users tend to demand that Windows users try out their machines?
Actually, what I've tended to notice is that, whenever some Mac user posts a nominally mac-friendly article (as in this case) the WinTellicrats come out of the silicon woodwork. So instead of a dozen or two posts talking about mac's you get a 100+ post insult-fest (or did you miss the posts about mac users being, ahem, less than masculine and the chardonnay and brie crowd?) which is usually broken up by a Wintel chap decrying the fanatacism and/or rudeness of the mac crowd. In other words, old boy, the mac guys didn't start the fire, all they were doing was a little good natured boasting about a new product. But the WinTel Warriors, shall we say, had to "weigh in".
Ever notice that Mac users also tend to insult the OS itself, insult those who disagree or who are perfectly happy with Windows? (as you did, gratefulwharffratt)
Slide on back thru the posts, there, RT. That one swings both ways.
Here's a hint, Mac users.
Gee, Thanks!
Some people just plain don't like your product for good reasons.
Yup. Probably about 40% of the people engaged in this back and forth, on either side, actually have good reasons. The rest are trying to make sure, to themselves, that they didn't buy the wrong computer. Why, I don't know. Probably because of folks like the Wintel Warriors with their token line: it's an orphan platform with no software. Heck, maybe if the warriors stopped screaming that EVERY TIME something came out for the Macintosh, these posts might not ramble so.
Some of those reasons are: 6. No Interest in Graphic Software (many people don't give a hoot about photo albums, music, or graphic arts)
In which case, they should be totally ambivelent to the iMac. It's not their problem, it's not their concern, let the happy home users fight it out amongst themselves.
5. High Priced Software
Well let's see. I'm typing this in one of three or four web browsers I have on my hard drive. All of which were free. Every piece of software on my drive was sold at the same price for both platforms. So just exactly which software are you speaking of?
4. Low availability Software
Ouch. Got me there. Since I'm using productivity software like the aforementioned graphics software and MS Office, all my needs are met. However, I did lose a client to the dark side when Deer Hunter II failed to port to the mac. C'est le guerre.
3. Scant variety of Software
So true. I've nothing but graphics, sound, animation, web design, web browsing, e-mail, word processing, business and, oh yeah, games, on my computer. If there get's to be any less software for the mac, I'll need a bigger hard drive.
2. Comfort and enjoyment of current setup
And defensiveness regarding it. Which brings me back to an earlier comment about the Wintel users' tendency to pile on to any favorable report regarding Apple. What? Afraid someone might actually buy an iMac? Or, God forbid, switch?
and the number one reason why a lot of Wintel users get tired of you Mac Evangelists:
1. Mac Users Are Rude and Insulting On The Whole
Which, switching out wintel for mac in the appropriate instances, is conversely the number one reason many Mac users get EXCEEDINGLY tired of the Wintel Warriors.
Oddly enough, in my posts here, I don't think I've besmirched anyone's sexuality (even in jest), or called anyone hoity toity, or rude or obnoxious or what have you. I'm simply making an argument.
And as I said earlier in this post, if you take a step back and look at some of these dispassionately, I think you'll find the Rude and Insulting swings both ways. In fact, I'd tend to place that balance in the favor of Wintel.
The point was, most of the good ones are ported for the Mac. If they mean that much to you, and every single one must be purchased, then indeed, Wintel is your choice.
To put it simply, the high end games, a la Unreal, Quake, FAKK 2, Rainbow 6, Diablo, et al, are all available, and have been available, on my personal platform of choice. In fact, having used both platforms, I find the Mac Port to be an excellant winnowing fan. That is, a game must be practically guaranteed of successful sales when a company decides to run a mac port. A simultaneous release speaks even more highly. In the meantime, some of the games on the Wintel side are (were, I should say) of a bit lower quality.
And that's part of the game, of course. Wintel has 85-90% of the market, excluding Unix, Mac, and 'other' OS's. Where are you gonna put your time? After all, if you can convince 5% of the Wintel market to buy your game, you've probably made your money back again. Even if your program is of lower quality/playability, you can still push it as bargain-basement and probably make a profit.
C'est le Vie.
I am quite overjoyed to see a person who has a Mac who does not immediately make my neck hairs rise. (Note: I specifically restricted my #1 reason by prefacing it with the more specific "Mac Evangelist". Those kinds are who are rude and who, on the whole, I vigorously disparage)
As to your response vis-a-vis games availability on the Mac, I must be more clear. Mac games are not as varied as I like. They do not match my interests, as I indicated in my list. The genres that I enjoy are sparsely supported in the Mac world compared to the PC market.
Who cares? The iPod will soon work for Windows, thanks to this company....
So no more reason to need a Mac to use this iPod. (besides, the new iMac is already decimating sales of G4's already in the pipeline...how dumb of them) Also 125,000 players is bupkus, next to what Rio has sold. And Apple will not license the technology so the player will ultimately go the way of the Newton, while PC-loving replacements outpricing and outselling it next Christmas.
Same old story, same old long haired, pot-smoking, sandal-wearing tilting-at-windmills Democrat CEO song and dance.
All sizzle, no steak. Or is it "all hat, no cattle"?
--Boris
Exactly when were you looking at them? I only ask because you quote $2400 as the price for an iMac, when it's really $1299. I know it's still pricier than that top of the line $600 PC, but that's a bit of stretch.
Naturally, that $600 PC will have 128MB RAM, a 40GB hard drive, a CD-RW drive, an NVIDIA GeForce2 MX w/32MB DDR, two operating systems preinstalled, Quicken and MSWorks, some form of CD/DVD authoring software, among others. I mean, a simple error like (nearly) doubling the price of the machine you dislike shouldn't make me wary, since I am a trusting soul.
Oh, and of course the $600 PC will have the company's top of the line chip and an LCD monitor. Otherwise, what would be the point of comparisons? It'd be like, well, apples and oranges...
I was attempting to make the point that I had noticed gratefulwharffratt, whom you were chastising, was being held to a different standard than those, shall we say, on your side. For example, the first reply (about 'shills') was in turn a reply to a call for a barf alert by some gentle soul (reply 2).
It struck me that, had I posted this article (not that I would have, being a minitower bigot), thinking to toss out to my fellow free thinkers a bit of tech news that reflected favorably upon my personal tastes, I'd have been just a bit peeved to find THE VERY FIRST REPLY a snide little dig.
Seriously, tell me it's not appropriate for a political forum? No problem. Ask why I insist on posting tech articles? No worry. But why be a prick about it? And then, the pile on starts (a bit of mea culpa, I did make a 'herd' crack, alas). So I felt it necessary to defend the gratefulwharffratt.
Moreover, since I am a Mac Evangelist (belonged to a mailing list and everything, whooo doggies), it seemed appropriate to stand up for my own honor.
FYI, and the information of assorted other members of the Wintel Faction, here's a mac user who is:
1. A member of the Happy HETEROsexuals (ask the wife; he**, do a name search, I've posted pix of her all over the place, and tell me if any man COULD be lite in the loafers with that woman)
2. Virulantly opposed to any form of fancy cheese. If it doesn't have hot peppers somewhere in there, don't waste my time.
3. Blissfully ignorant of wine. I drink Mexican beer and just about any form of hard liquor (although, after a certain honeymoon experience some years back, tequila takes a little more effort)
4. Disgusted by loafers. I wear boots. Made in Texas. From dead animals, the way it oughtta be.
5. A great believer in knives, swords, guns and the art of kicking and punching with the hand.
6. A man of otherwise simple tastes; when the wife asks what to cook, I say "Beef! It's what's for dinner!" in my best Sam Elliot voice. Because Sam Elliot is the closest thing our generation has to Duke Wayne.
So, don't all you windoze folk get toooo complacent with that fruit fly image you got of us mac users. Some of us don't quite fit your bill.
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