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Pakistan's president believes Osama bin Laden may have died from a kidney ailment.
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| 1/18/02
Posted on 01/18/2002 9:51:02 AM PST by Interloper
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To: Interloper
bin Laden may have died because he was unable to get treatment during the US bombing campaign. Doubtful he is indeed dead, but, if so, I sure hope it was slow, and painful.
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posted on
01/18/2002 10:40:35 AM PST
by
NorCoGOP
To: right_to_defend
Wishful thinking on Musharaff's part...he's floated the "Usama is dead story" before (back in December, to be specific). Unfortunately, there's nothing to verify his claims. Secondly, I'm sure bin Laden recorded a number of videotapes before he (pick one), (a) died, (b) retreated to his cave, or (c) absconded to Somalia, Yemen, or wherever. By simply releasing another tape, Al Queda can easily refute Musharaff's claims. Musharaff has another motive in making his claims. With UBL supposedly "dead," he can justify removing troops from the Afghan border, claiming there's "no need" to increase his level of military support in the war against terrorism...
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posted on
01/18/2002 10:45:24 AM PST
by
Spook86
To: RoseofTexas
You've got to consider that OBL may be blown to bits or buried so deep we will never find him. We need to act both as though he was alive and dead, and we may never know which.
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posted on
01/18/2002 10:45:26 AM PST
by
Hugin
To: Irish Queen
To have Bin Laden dead by uremic poisoning denies him of a martyrs death. Naaaah..... he would still be a martyr because he denied himself proper treatment in order to carry out his plan and therefore please Allah.
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To: right_to_defend
This is a shrewd announcement. It now puts the onus on Bin Laden to prove otherwise - and risk detection. It's also shrewd that it wasn't a US official making the claim. You might be right, but we still need to search for him.
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posted on
01/18/2002 10:54:28 AM PST
by
1Old Pro
To: DJ88
Let's see. .. in a 3rd world nation ... would need to find a quality hospital to do the "matching" to find donor kidney, would need all the modern anti-rejection drugs .. . would need competent Doctors to do the transplant (but crazy enough to support Bin Laden and believe in his 11th century philosophy) . ...
sure . .. I can see why you think this option might have been pursued (NOT!!!).
Mike
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posted on
01/18/2002 10:57:27 AM PST
by
Vineyard
Comment #48 Removed by Moderator
To: DJ88
So, that's why he tried to hit a 767?! I'd wondered about that!
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posted on
01/18/2002 10:59:23 AM PST
by
mrustow
To: Interloper
As my wife says, "Show me the body!"
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posted on
01/18/2002 10:59:57 AM PST
by
mrustow
To: epluribus_2
You can dialize without a machine; without visiting a clinic.
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posted on
01/18/2002 11:02:42 AM PST
by
Rowdee
To: Interloper
Regular dialysis requires about 3-4 hours 3 times a week on a machine like the one pictured below. Yes, there are other grosser ways to do it, but hard to accomplish from a cave.
If OBL did have end stage kidney failure, he is probably dead --if treatment wasn't available.
To: MoralSense
They generally don't start dialysis until the kidneys are in failure, i.e., 95% non-functioning, a person's BUNN and creatinine levels indicate this and a factor includes body size.
My husband was a dialysis patient for 7 years; one of the 'weapons' dialysis patients always felt they had to keep themselves in control of their destiny was that they could decide whether to dialyze or not, thus bringing an end to their life.
I was with my husband several times when he discussed this not only with other patients, but with the doctors, and nursing staffs. They all indicated that without dialyzing, you could figure from 3 to 7 days. Before the end, the patient goes into a comma and doesn't recover....we knew a patient who took this course of action.
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posted on
01/18/2002 11:09:26 AM PST
by
Rowdee
To: Interloper
- U.S. Says 'We Just Don't Know' if Bin Laden's Dead (11:51 a.m. PST Jan. 18)
- WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States has no way of knowing whether Osama bin Laden has died of kidney problems, but President Bush would not view that as ``an unwelcome event,'' the White House said on Friday.
To: DWSUWF
Are you thinking what I'm thinking? It looks like his "organ ghouls" may have failed to procure a kidney (or at least an adequate one) for the sand-goblin-in-chief (Bin Laden).
Another possibility is that somewhere along his lines of communication, the word "liver" inadvertently replaced the word "kidney" (in between all the "praise be Allah" regergatations). That would explain the recent demand seen around here for livers.
Of course, even if those idiots got their filthy hands on a "good" kidney, the odds of them having a successful transplant are about the same as a 12th century Mongol horde putting a man on the moon.
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posted on
01/18/2002 11:11:18 AM PST
by
Mulder
To: MoralSense
How long would it take to die without dialysis treatment? It could take quite a while. I lost a cat to kidney failure, and it's not something I would wish on even bin Laden.
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posted on
01/18/2002 11:16:53 AM PST
by
steve-b
To: GalFromTheBay
Dialysis patients are weighed before taking a dialysis treatment by machine in order to determine how much fluid needs to be pulled off the body.
When the treatment is done(3 hours or more depending on the amount to be pulled off) they are weighed again....the goal is to bring them a hair below 'normal' or 'normal'.
Fluid retention is bad. There are people who will gain 8 - 10 pounds or so between treatments....the more fluid to come off, the harder it is on your body, because the machine is trying to do oin 4 hours what your body does naturally 24/7.
Those on CAPD don't have that weight problem....but they have to worry about peritonitis.
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posted on
01/18/2002 11:18:04 AM PST
by
Rowdee
To: Interloper
The only thing this article confirms is that OBL is alive and well and living in Pakistan.
To: LurkedLongEnough
..."grosser ways to do it, but hard to accomplish from a cave"....
Whatever do you mean by 'grosser'?
My husband tried the Continuous Cycler Dialysis machine...that's where you're hooked up while you sleep....but that didn't work out for him--the lines kept kinking.....and with the little noises the machine kept making, he couldn't sleep and it even woke me up.
He wound up doing the Continuous Ambulatory Peritoneal Dialysis--where you do the 4 bag exchanges a day; which uses the peritoneal membrane in the abdominal cavity....of all the way to have to do dialysis, he much preferred this one because he didn't have the 'up and down roller coaster rise with his blood pressure' from the machines; he could travel easily with CAPD; he didn't need a 'partner' to operate a machine;; he wasn't stuck sitting for hours at a time.
The only thing that could possibly be considered 'gross' was the little tube which extended out from the abdomen through which the dialysate was exchanged...wasn't gross that I could tell...never interfered with anything.
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posted on
01/18/2002 11:25:06 AM PST
by
Rowdee
To: Interloper
"Musharrum" trying to get himself off the hook and US out of Pak...n. BL was reported on dyalisis before. So perhaps the caravan he was in was to carry his machines around. Best way to see if BL is around is to place some of those mnachines at strategic points, attached to thin steel wires. Then slowly winch the machine into the blind hiding some Rangers. Hopefully, BL will be at the end of the line.
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posted on
01/18/2002 11:26:09 AM PST
by
Henchman
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