FReeople Thread 274

01/16/02 | So9

[Servant of the Nine]

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Thread 274

[catpuppy]

I agree that keeping the lawyers away is a good thing. I am just not sure it was necessary for the taxpayers to serve as uncompensated insurors of last resort.

[ValerieUSA]

This country was founded by people who whose leaders were almost all Deists rather than Christians.

Nice try. Not true. They were Christians. There was a personal humility to their faith. They didn't speak in "testimonials" in public like you see on "Christian" TV shows - they would have been appalled at such behavior. They believed that their commitment to Christ was revealed in their actions, not their spoken claims.

[sweetliberty]

"I oppose the efforts of liberal leftist to accomodate illegal immigrants."

Part of the real problem here is that this is truly a bipartisan problem...neither party being particularly motivated to fix it because both are getting something out of it on a political front. Its deplorable. Once they get in and get a drivers license they can vote. Of course the democrats see this as a benefit (not that the law has ever really deterrred them from cheating anyway) and essentially settle into living off the American taxpayer whether it be welfare dollars or tuition dollars or public school dollars or medical benefits....the possibilities are endless.

And WE pay for it in more than taxes. Look around you. How many of you still see the America you grew up in? I don't. Even here, I go to the store less than 5 minutes away, and there are 2 Mexican stores visible from the parking lot. I expect its much worse other places. But PC marches on, and American falls little by little every time we defer to it.

[catpuppy]

she no longer referred to Americans as "they" but as "we". She said she knew then that it was time

Fine story, Darlin'.

[ValerieUSA]

Gotta go to the gym BBL

[Servant of the Nine]

I can tell you that in North Carolina, a well settled State, at the time of the Revolution there were 2 Christian Churches. One at New Salem and one at Hillsborough.

There were lots of little "Churches" at the time of the War Between the States, most of which were combination Church, Town hall, comunity center, one room school and sometimes hay barn. That hardly makes the country seriously religious

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[Servant of the Nine]

I can tell you that in North Carolina, a well settled State, at the time of the Revolution there were 2 Christian Churches. One at New Salem and one at Hillsborough.

There were lots of little "Churches" at the time of the War Between the States, most of which were combination Church, Town hall, comunity center, one room school and sometimes hay barn. That hardly makes the country seriously religious

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[null and void]

"In God We Trust"
On the 1¢ coin 1909
On the 5¢ coin 1938
On the 10¢ coin 1916
On the 25¢ coin 1892
On the 50¢ coin 1866
On the $1 coin 1866
On the $1 "Trade Dollar" coin 1873
On the 1/4 Eagle coin 1908
On the 1/2 Eagle coin 1866
On the 1 Eagle coin 1866
On the Double Eagle coin 1866
on currency, some time in the 1950's, IIRC.

Not quite a whole-hearted Civil War propoganda effort...

A real Sothroner would call it "The War Between The States"...

[null and void]

How many of you still see the America you grew up in?

Even the Flag isn't the same one I was born under...

[catpuppy]

Sorry Servant but North Carolina was covered up with Quakers and other religious congregations. They may not have all had formal churches with nice shining steeples but that was not my point. Religion was deeply ingrained in the American culture long before the Civil War. You implied that it was not. Pick up any legal document including wills written before that time and you will usually find words such as "In The Name Of God, Amen," as a preamble.

[sweetliberty]

"Even the Flag isn't the same one I was born under..."

Me either, but that's the least of our problems. Too many people born under the flag give it no honor at all. There are certain things that should be required for citizenship...the FIRST being that you got in the country LEGALLY! You should HAVE to be familiar with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and some basic American history. You should HAVE to learn the language! And you should come here with something to contribute (besides a vote for whatever sleazeball democrat happens to be running for public office). Some of these things are just common sense...but again, we seemed to have sacrificed that on the altar of political correctness too!

[sweetliberty]

"As Americans, protecting and defending ourselves and our nation is our responsibility. Ours. We must stop letting the government render us ineffective with their own ineffective "security" measures that rob us of our freedoms and rights and means of self-defense."

Very well said. I couldn't agree more.

[catpuppy]

A real Sothroner would call it "The War Between The States

Wrong. Real Southerners call it by its real name, "THE WAR OF NORTHERN AGGRESSION."

[Servant of the Nine]

Salmon Chase put 'in god we trust ' on the penny in 1863

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[Servant of the Nine]

I Quit

Trying to discuss religion is a joke.

No matter what is said, no opinions are going to change

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[Darlin']

Dear Servant, With all due respect, my precious friend, Wrong.
First, I don't know how many of the Founding Fathers were or were not Deists, for the sake of arguement I will defer to you on that point. Second, my understanding of the First Amendment is slightly different from yours. If my memory serves me correctly, I think it says, Congress shall not enact any laws establishing a religion nor shall they prohibit worshiping. I don't totally disagree with your point about practicing "... public religiosity rather than private religion.", that speaks to our mutual Episcopalian upbringing. However, as members of the greater Christain community I believe there are times when we are called upon to speak out publically in defense of our rights to worship, to help others and as a statement of our faith. Lastly, the "In God We Tust" quote was part of the emailed letter that I recieved. I didn't say it was a motto or creedo of the Founding Fathers. Sugah. :)

[catpuppy]

Oh, don't quit. We are just playing. But facts is facts. It is either this or Ratty.

[Darlin']

Thank you, cp. Nice to see you this evening. :)

[gratefulwharffratt]

I can tell you that in North Carolina, a well settled State, at the time of the Revolution there were 2 Christian Churches. One at New Salem and one at Hillsborough.

Sorry Swervie, but you are waaaaaay wrong about that. Within 15 miles of here I can think of at least 3 different churches that have tombstones that date back to mid-1700's. Furthermore, nearly EVERY small community has a church in it... this didn't just happen overnight, it has always been that way.

[Darlin']

Dear Dahlin' Servant, Whatzzupwidcha ? You know very well that this country has always set quite a store in our churches. Think about it, it was in the steeple of the Old North Church that two lanterns were to be hung as a warning if the British soldiers would be arriving by water rather than by land. Granted, it was probably the tallest structure around but the church was there and a well established part of the community at the time of the revolution and it subsequently played a part in our founding history. :)