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Democracy vs. Freedom
Center for American Unity ^ | 12/28/01 | Jared Taylor

Posted on 12/29/2001 2:29:14 PM PST by traditionalist

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To: Mark Bahner
Mark,

I think you missed the good professor's point, which is that a Constinutional Republic is an inherently unstable system doomed to degenrate into a mob-rule democracy like ours, if it is not overthrown by some coup first. It surly didn't take much to destroy ours.

21 posted on 01/03/2002 10:12:25 PM PST by traditionalist
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To: traditionalist
"I think you missed the good professor's point, which is that a Constinutional Republic is an inherently unstable system doomed to degenrate into a mob-rule democracy like ours, if it is not overthrown by some coup first."

I don't think I "missed" any of the professor's points. I simply didn't agree with most of them.

Most specificly, I don't agree with the professor's solution (abolition of all government), which is not libertarian. That's anarcho-capitalism, which I think is much more unlikely than the libertarian solution of a government limited to preventing/punishing violence and fraud. In the event that the United States, or any other country, gets to the limited-government stage of libertarianism, THEN I think we could talk about whether anarcho-capitalism is preferable. But for the professor to talk about his solution, and for it to be falsely classified as "libertarian," I think makes the goal of the limited government favored by libertarians actually LESS likely to occur. The professor's solution makes libertarians seem completely out of touch with reality...rather than simply desirous of a state of affairs that the United States actually resembled for a fairly long period of time.

Mark (real Libertarian)

22 posted on 01/04/2002 4:12:55 AM PST by Mark Bahner
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It seems that you are concerned more with what constitutes orthodox libertarianism than the professor's analysis. I don't think anyone cares whether he is properly labeled a libertarian or an anarcho-capitalist. It's mere semantics.

How do you respond to his argument that what you consider to be the orthodox libertarian ideal, i.e. a strictly limited constitutional republic, is doomed to political failure?

And no, I am not looking for an argument why the orthodox libertarian system is better. I'm looking for a response to the argument above that such a system simply cannot last and is bound to be overthrown.

23 posted on 01/04/2002 10:50:47 PM PST by traditionalist
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This is the thread I mentioned.
24 posted on 01/05/2002 12:15:16 PM PST by Goetz_von_Berlichingen
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