Yeah, I know this is long long article, but I found it interesting.
To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender; *bang_list
I'm a 2nd ammendment defender too. The author of this peice could gain himself more credibility if he left the ethnic bashing out of the peice. Wouldn't have sacrificed any of his main points either.
Thanks for the post. It does show that the gun owner who carries a weapon does not have an easy time of it. It is a serious decision to be made, and carries much responcibility. I encounter people every day that would be shocked to find that I have a CCW and many of them are against guns in general for the same unfounded reasons........
posted on 12/29/2001 12:08:09 AM PST
For example, the anti-gun person will unconsciously attempt to provoke you by claiming that gun owners are uneducated rednecks, or by treating you as if you are an uneducated redneck.
But what if I really am a redneck (and proud of it)? <GRIN>
To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender; 185JHP
Excellent piece here. So many of us don't really grasp the gun-hating mentality. Lots of good material here.
As one poster pointed out, this is not only a profitable article for defending our beliefs about the 2nd Amendment, but for any strongly held beliefs.
I believe the fact that Police are not legally required to defend your life speaks volumes.
Long read; yes. But well worth it.
Thanks for the good post. I 'booked' it for a later read. Time to CCW a 9mm and go to work.
To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender, summer, teacher 317
Bump, Ping, and Bookmark! Interesting Read.
To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender; College Repub; womanvet
Thanks for posting this article - it has been bookmarked. I have never seen a more cogent analysis of why most of those who are anti-gun hold their views (which views I, like the author, view as emotionally or irrationally based). I was especially impressed by the analysis of the manner in which these neuroses develop, and how we can gradually take apart their defenses. This is, as was pointed out by someone else, also a good way to deal with liberals on other issues, liberals being, IMHO, mostly emotional and irrational by nature.
College Repub: I would like to address your characterization of what the author did as "ethnic bashing." Like you, I am also Jewish. My grandparents between them lost over 100 relatives, including siblings, nieces, nephews, aunts, uncles and first cousins. My wife's uncle is a Birkenau survivor who witnesses the murder of his father and brother in front of his eyes. I have at least as much reason to be concerned about "ethnic bashing" as you, yet: I read the same article, and I didn't find any such bashing. I believe that the author used the example of the 3 groups in question (Jews, Blacks and women) for a very specific reason, which reason was spelled out in the article. Put simply, outside of specific anti-gun organizations (e.g. the Brady jacka$$es and the Million Morons), these 3 groups have the most effective and strident anti-gun organizations out there. They have masterfully utilized the inherent tendencies of members of their particular groups to feel like victims to psychologically distort the thinking process of their constituents (or hosts, as I prefer to call them). The purpose: to raise money and to build/maintain political power for the organizations (parasites). The author was simply using the best real-life examples of what was being discussed, in order to illustrate the points that were being made. Nothing more and nothing less is going on here.
With regard to Jewish groups in particular, I think that the author was extremely mild and objective. If you haven't already, please visit the website for Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO). This organization was founded specifically to disarm the "anti-Semite" argument that many Jews and Jewish organizations have used since the Holocaust for the purpose of defeating political opponents (specifically, those who were/are pro-gun). You will see some pretty biting (and truthful) attacks on the major Jewish organizations. By the way, JFPO is pro-gun, not just Jewish pro-gun, so it also attacks non-Jewish individuals and organizations for the same reasons.
I think that you should try to focus more on the main message that the author is trying to convey, rather than nitpick at a couple of phrases or examples. All of us who are pro-gun can learn a lot from this article, and do a lot more toward protecting our liberties, by looking at the entire forest instead of a couple of trees that we might not think are too attractive.
posted on 09/17/2004 5:43:24 PM PDT
(Dan rather cost kerry the electionin 46 more days!!!)
posted on 09/18/2004 2:26:40 PM PDT
(your mileage may vary)
I only want to state a counterpoint. Actually, I don't think I exactly disagree with you guys on anything, I just have a different slant. Here are some points that occur to me as eminently reasonable and I'd like to share them.
The situations that call for the use of firearms in everyday life and thereby justify carrying a concealed weapon are statistically and according to common sense extremely unlikely to arise, even in the scope of a given person's lifetime. On the other hand, the possibility that a person would make a mistake in general is hovering around 100% for a given day. The possibility that a mistake would be life-threatening is unacceptably high when it involves a gun. That is just my personal assessment of the pro-gun argument via self-defense. I really can't imagine any argument against recreational gun use. Though it just isn't very sporting to use a gun to kill something as stupid and defenseless as a wild animal.
Please understand that because of circumstances in my life beyond my control, I've never had the opportunity to understand hunting or concealed weapons as self-defense directly. I am experientially ignorant on the topic and don't mean to offend those of you who are more experienced regarding these topics.
I have a closing thought. Despite that it's a declaration, I mean it only as an expression of my personal belief and not as fact.
"Guns don't kill people...but they make the relative position of a person's index finger way too ****ing important"
bump for later when I can focus.
posted on 02/21/2005 1:42:34 AM PST
("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
posted on 02/21/2005 1:46:19 AM PST
(Children classics updated for Islam, "Allah loves me this I know, For the Koran tells me to explode")
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