[Yardstick]

Hey Hank, thanks for the reply. Sorry I couldn't get back sooner.

If I'm reading you right, it seems like you're saying that God is the cause of the material universe, but that God himself is uncaused. This is the conclusion I have come to.

I guess the atheist version would be either: (1) that the material universe has always existed, which is irrational, or (2) that the material universe was somehow brought into existance, which is irrational.

If you're an atheist, it seems to me that you must accept one of these irrational premises about the existance of the material universe, and that once you have done so, your argument that a belief in God is flawed because it is irrational becomes useless hypocrisy.

I just don't see any way around this. Can any of you atheists fill me in on this?

[Objectivism USA]

I saw a theory posted here before I signed on about a possible explanation for the creation of the Universe. The theory was essentially is that there are forces independent of the Universe that we know. These forces have always existed and that at the time of the big bang they came into contact with each other and that the big bang was the result. As for me I won’t claim to know how the Universe was created, just that I perceive its existence, try to understand it and operate accordingly.

[beavus]

What if there has been an infinite series of gods, each of which gives birth to the next one just before he dies? Is that rational?